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0000145Dwarf FortressArenapublic2010-04-02 09:342015-05-13 11:17
Reporterlvk 
Assigned Tolethosor 
PrioritylowSeveritytextReproducibilityalways
StatusacknowledgedResolutionopen 
PlatformOSOS Version
Product Version 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0000145: Arena creature gender bias
DescriptionIf you have two creatures with different names to fit their gender (e.g. 'amphibian man' and 'amphibian woman'), if you'd spawn the amphibian woman, the creature's name would be Amphibian Man. The creature's description will still read 'she' (e.g. 'her skin is copper'). This also applies to 'bat man' and 'bat woman', 'cave shallow man' and 'cave shallow woman', 'olm man' and 'olm woman', 'reptile man' and 'reptile woman', etc. In the case of spawning a giantess, not only does its name show up as Giant, but the pronouns are all male ('his skin is peach'), for some reason.
Steps To ReproduceSpawn a female creature in the Object Testing Arena with a name different from its male variant.
Additional InformationI'm not sure whether this has been reported already or not.
TagsArena Mode, Giantess, Intentional/Expected?
Relationships
related to 0000031closed Toady One Giant gender confusion 
related to 0000106closed Footkerchief Giant name confusion 
related to 0000117closed Footkerchief Giant is listed as female, Giantess as male in arena unit creation 
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Issue History
Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2010-04-02 09:34lvkNew Issue
2010-04-02 09:36MNeisTag Attached: Arena Mode
2010-04-02 09:38lvkNote Added: 0000202
2010-04-02 09:39DwarfuTag Attached: Giantess
2010-04-02 09:43lvkNote Edited: 0000202bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0000202#r60
2010-04-02 09:47DwarfuNote Added: 0000210
2010-04-08 20:03JoRoNote Added: 0002234
2010-04-08 20:06GreyhawkNote Added: 0002235
2010-04-29 13:24FootkerchiefCategoryGeneral => Arena
2012-03-30 17:59dree12Note Added: 0021924
2012-03-30 17:59dree12Tag Attached: Intentional/Expected?
2012-03-31 15:11dree12Tag Detached: Intentional/Expected?
2012-03-31 15:11dree12Tag Attached: Possibly intended behaviour
2012-03-31 18:43dree12Issue Monitored: dree12
2014-07-11 19:44SirPenguinNote Added: 0025910
2014-07-27 05:30lethosorTag Attached: Intentional/Expected?
2014-07-27 05:30lethosorTag Detached: Possibly intended behaviour
2015-05-13 10:53lethosorRelationship addedrelated to 0000031
2015-05-13 10:53lethosorRelationship addedrelated to 0000106
2015-05-13 10:53lethosorRelationship addedrelated to 0000117
2015-05-13 10:54lethosorAssigned To => lethosor
2015-05-13 10:54lethosorStatusnew => acknowledged
2015-05-13 11:17DetrosNote Added: 0032678

Notes
(0000202)
lvk   
2010-04-02 09:38   
(edited on: 2010-04-02 09:43)
However, it DOES show up semi-correctly in the [r]eports page: "the amphibian woman Amphibian Man 1 is fighting!" and "the bat woman Bat Man 1 is fighting!"

Also, the reason for the odd behavior of the 'giant' and 'giantess' creatures is that the genders are swapped ('giant' is female, 'giantess' is male).
(0000210)
Dwarfu   
2010-04-02 09:47   
Related to 0000117, 0000106, 0000031.
(0002234)
JoRo   
2010-04-08 20:03   
Wouldn't this just be because '(creature) man' is the name of the species?
(0002235)
Greyhawk   
2010-04-08 20:06   
"Man" has been used to describe the entire human race. Such as "The Dawn of Man". Though not as commonly used in this day and age.
(0021924)
dree12   
2012-03-30 17:59   
This is an old issue, but just adding: what would be the best way of resolving this? For example, let's say I place an Amphibian Man and then an Amphibian Woman.

Currently, it is as so:
Amphibian Man 1 (man)
Amphibian Man 2 (woman)

There are two methods I can think of to change this:
Method 1: Separating by Caste
Amphibian Man 1 (man)
Amphibian Woman 1 (woman)

Method 2: Incremental
Amphibian Man 1 (man)
Amphibian Woman 2 (woman)

And of course, keeping as is. As such, I added the Intentional/Expected tag.

The summary should be changed from "gender bias" to "caste indifference, which can cause gender bias".
(0025910)
SirPenguin   
2014-07-11 19:44   
Still in 40.0x
(0032678)
Detros   
2015-05-13 11:17   
Still in 0.40.24 vanilla Arena: spawning of creature "giantess" makes a giantess called "Giant 1", spawning of creature "aardvark woman" makes an aardvark woman called "Aardvark Man 1" so three years old report from dree12 still holds.

In contrary to original report, creature "giantess" spawns a female creature with "Her" used in descriptions.