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IDProjectCategoryView StatusDate SubmittedLast Update
0001609Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Immigrationpublic2010-04-28 09:532012-03-28 23:50
ReporterFarmerbob 
Assigned ToToady One 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityrandom
StatusresolvedResolutionfixed 
PlatformCore Duo 3.0 / Nvidia 9800 gtxOSWindowsOS VersionVista 64 bit
Product Version0.31.03 
Target VersionFixed in Version0.34.07 
Summary0001609: Immigrant dwarves' skills often don't match their job settings
Description  I frequently get immigrant dwarves with skillsets drastically different from their jobs preferences. This can be relatively minor, or pretty significant.

  The worst case I've seen so far was a self professed fisherdwarf with all metalworking skills... Now I have to check every incoming dwarf for skills because I can't trust what they say they are, lol.

  It's conceivable this is intended, I suppose, but shouldn't these dwarves have skill in lying?
Steps To Reproduce look at immigrant skills for a few dozen immigrants, I normally see one liar at least every 20 immigrants.
Additional Information
Tags0.34.01
Relationships
has duplicate 0003512resolved Footkerchief Immigrants with non-zero skills arrive without appropriate labours set 
related to 0001615closed Footkerchief Immigriants have no skill in their job. 
child of 0000110resolved Toady One Migrant hunters/miners/woodcutters can arrive with labors disabled, causing them to drop equipment 
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Issue History
Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2010-04-28 09:53FarmerbobNew Issue
2010-04-28 10:00FootkerchiefRelationship addedchild of 0000110
2010-04-28 10:35hyndisNote Added: 0005552
2010-04-28 14:20Logical2uRelationship addedrelated to 0001615
2010-11-15 13:49FootkerchiefRelationship addedhas duplicate 0003512
2011-03-31 03:18MichaelNote Added: 0016841
2011-03-31 03:23DwarfuNote Added: 0016843
2011-03-31 03:24DwarfuTag Attached: AWAITING UPDATE
2011-03-31 05:49Granite26Note Added: 0016847
2011-03-31 08:07KogutNote Added: 0016851
2011-03-31 08:55James16gNote Added: 0016854
2011-05-31 18:53MichaelNote Added: 0017907
2011-08-07 01:42FarmerbobNote Added: 0018442
2011-08-07 02:57DwarfuNote Added: 0018443
2011-08-07 02:57DwarfuTag Detached: AWAITING UPDATE
2011-12-19 21:15FootkerchiefSummaryImmigrant dwarves lie about their professions => Immigrant dwarves' skills often don't match their job settings
2012-02-15 17:05ThomarNote Added: 0019720
2012-02-16 00:29etherflanTag Attached: 0.34.01
2012-02-26 11:51BuglistIssue Monitored: Buglist
2012-03-28 16:38Toady OneStatusnew => resolved
2012-03-28 16:38Toady OneFixed in Version => Next Version
2012-03-28 16:38Toady OneResolutionopen => fixed
2012-03-28 16:38Toady OneAssigned To => Toady One
2012-03-28 23:50BuglistIssue End Monitor: Buglist

Notes
(0005552)
hyndis   
2010-04-28 10:35   
If you have DT its very easy to see the strangeness of the pre-set skills. And yes, often times the skills enabled by default having nothing to do with the actual skills the dwarf has experience in. Its pretty much guaranteed in every immigrant wave to have at least a few dwarves with this issue.
(0016841)
Michael   
2011-03-31 03:18   
I've encountered this in 0.31.25, sort of. But something even more bizarre is going on. After first noticing some skill mismatches in an earlier game, I paid close attention to the first incoming wave and found no real skills, even though only one of the five was labeled a "Peasant". (They did have things like Swimmer, Leader, Liar, etc.)

However, I then reloaded the game to note down the exact skill mixes for this report, and suddenly found far more skills listed! Before the save, one "Fisherdwarf" was just a Leader and Swimmer. After reloading, he was:

High Master Fisherdwarf
Talented Strand Extractor
Novice Gem Cutter
Competent Wax Worker
Adequate Swimmer
Novice Leader
(0016843)
Dwarfu   
2011-03-31 03:23   
Michael, it appears you accidentally turned off the viewing of those skills.

[v]iew a creature, [c] to show/hide combat related skills and [b] to show hide labor related skills. It looks at though you only had [m] misc skills enabled.

Does that account for your problem?
(0016847)
Granite26   
2011-03-31 05:49   
As far as the 'wrong skills enabled' : think of the dwarfs as being better at their hobbies than their day jobs. This was talked about during one of the df talks: dwarves get random skillsets for their job(just like the always did), but then go through 'their life until now' simulations that sometimes generate skill levels higher than their core skill.

I'm not sure what the fix would be. The core skillset is supposed to be representative of your fort's needs.
(0016851)
Kogut   
2011-03-31 08:07   
Limit hobby skills?
(0016854)
James16g   
2011-03-31 08:55   
As far as michael's comment; he might have had skills hidden, but I recall having this happen about twice to me; but I didn't have to reload. Generally I would view them once, select another dwarf (or anything else) and then select them again; suddenly the rest of their skills would be visible.

I'm sure it's possible I accidentally hit the [c] [b] [m] buttons, but I never deliberately turn those off, so there might be some delay between the immigrant appearing on-screen and their skills being registered or something. I have no idea how the coding works, obviously, but might that be possible?
(0017907)
Michael   
2011-05-31 18:53   
It probably was hidden skills -- I didn't realize what those options did until shortly after making the report.

I can't investigate further, though. My save is worthless because save/reload cured the bug. (As would be expected if it was indeed just an accidental hide command.)
(0018442)
Farmerbob   
2011-08-07 01:42   
I just noticed that this is awaiting update. I've seen the same thing occurring in 31.25, if thats what you mean by awaiting update.

If dwarves actually have hobby skills higher than their job skills, wouldn't that indicate that they should be titled based on their higher skills?

Would a high master beekeeper who is titled as a mason really travel to a fort in the arctic under a glacier to practice as a dabbling mason? Really? Maybe if there was a job description "Prisoner"...

Additionally - EVERY titled engraver also has masonry skill enabled, even if they have zero skill in it.
(0018443)
Dwarfu   
2011-08-07 02:57   
Farmerbob, your issue is valid. I tagged it awaiting update so I could follow-up with Michael to see if his situation was related, but it appears to have been user misunderstanding.
(0019720)
Thomar   
2012-02-15 17:05   
Also affects my fortress. Very annoying. Wouldn't have to use Dwarf Therapist if jobs were set properly.