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0001665Dwarf FortressCreaturespublic2010-04-30 15:522014-08-13 05:11
ReporterBloodbeard 
Assigned ToToady One 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityhave not tried
StatusresolvedResolutionfixed 
PlatformOSOS Version
Product Version0.31.03 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0001665: Undead demons fighting with normal demons in the underworld
DescriptionI was exploring map features with a throwaway fortress when I broke into the underworld. The demons were generated in mid-air as always, but on the slade floor beneath them were several undead Marmot Monsters (haunted mountain).

Instead of pathing out of the underworld to kill my miner, they attacked the undead Marmot Monsters. The Marmots tore the demons apart except for a couple of species and the fight resulted in a neverending stalemate.

I don't know if it's a bug, but this doesn't seem like an intended feature.
Steps To ReproduceCreated a fortress on a haunted mountain and broke into the demons underworld.
Additional Information
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Relationships
related to 0004926new  Forgotten beasts arrive in the Underworld 
related to 0001852resolved Toady One [SPOILERS] HFS creatures rot away, so I don't have to do anything 
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Issue History
Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2010-04-30 15:52BloodbeardNew Issue
2010-04-30 16:20FootkerchiefNote Added: 0005781
2010-04-30 18:26BloodbeardNote Added: 0005794
2010-05-01 20:17DoctorZuberNote Added: 0005882
2010-05-01 20:22DoctorZuberNote Edited: 0005882bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0005882#r2179
2010-05-01 21:19BloodbeardNote Added: 0005891
2010-05-01 22:38BloodbeardNote Edited: 0005891bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0005891#r2183
2011-07-19 23:09vasilnNote Added: 0018285
2011-07-20 07:36KonNote Added: 0018287
2011-07-20 12:40vasilnNote Edited: 0018285bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0018285#r6839
2011-07-22 06:28KonNote Edited: 0018287bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0018287#r6841
2012-04-06 08:10FootkerchiefSummaryUnderground(?) creatures spawning in the underworld, killing the demons => Undead demons fighting with normal demons in the underworld
2012-04-06 08:10FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0004926
2012-04-21 16:57FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0001852
2012-04-21 16:59FootkerchiefIssue Monitored: Kon
2012-04-21 16:59FootkerchiefIssue Monitored: vasiln
2012-04-21 16:59FootkerchiefNote Added: 0022328
2012-04-21 16:59FootkerchiefTag Attached: AWAITING UPDATE
2012-04-23 00:34vasilnNote Added: 0022345
2012-04-23 06:53FootkerchiefNote Added: 0022347
2012-04-23 06:53FootkerchiefStatusnew => resolved
2012-04-23 06:53FootkerchiefResolutionopen => fixed
2012-04-23 06:53FootkerchiefAssigned To => Toady One
2012-04-23 06:56FootkerchiefTag Detached: AWAITING UPDATE
2014-08-13 05:11KonIssue End Monitor: Kon

Notes
(0005781)
Footkerchief   
2010-04-30 16:20   
Were they actually called "Marmot Monster"? If so, they were demons, not just undead marmots -- those would be "Zombie Hoary Marmot" or "Skeletal Hoary Marmot."
(0005794)
Bloodbeard   
2010-04-30 18:26   
They were called "Skeletal Marmot Monster" and "Zombie Marmot Monster". They didn't use the demon '&' symbol.

They weren't part of the initial group of demons and they couldn't fly, but if they are some kind of demons that are supposed to spawn there it still seems odd that the demon hoard would be aggressive to them. (and be killed spectacularly, though that has more to do with the unbalanced combat/material system)
(0005882)
DoctorZuber   
2010-05-01 20:17   
(edited on: 2010-05-01 20:22)
I've seen this in reveal at embark. I saw a large number of skeletons in a HFS feature. I also observed a large amount of miasma. I've got both skeletal and zombie creatures present in the HFS feature.

I'm not sure if this is a bug or not, this could be intended behavior. Maybe it's just not always demons.

Note, I am not referring to "hell". This is a HFS site that is well above the magma sea. I've seen demons in similar locations before, but this time, it's apparently skeletons and zombies.
(0005891)
Bloodbeard   
2010-05-01 21:19   
(edited on: 2010-05-01 22:38)
@DoctorZuber

That is actually something else. I don't know if you've uncovered it or spoiled yourself so I won't say what it is, but that particular feature isn't a bug.

I've gone down into the underworld again and these Marmot Monsters ARE spawnable creatures that live down there. The only issue I have I guess is that they and probably other randomized underworld inhabitants are hostile to demons. This may or may not be intended but it takes a bit of the fun out of it when the demon hoard ignores you to go attack the other creatures down there.
(0018285)
vasiln   
2011-07-19 23:09   
(edited on: 2011-07-20 12:40)
Adding my note. Zombie demons are entering my hell and fighting with living demons. Actually knocking off a few of the demons, too.

In case this is unintended behavior, I have a save uploaded at http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=4701. [^] Might have to wait a while for more zombie demons to wander in.
(0018287)
Kon   
2011-07-20 07:36   
(edited on: 2011-07-22 06:28)
After I breached the underworld, a couple of Forgotten Beasts spawned down there. I assumed everything was working as intended. Maybe once the underworld is breached, various entities can spawn down there.
(0022328)
Footkerchief   
2012-04-21 16:59   
Reminder sent to: Bloodbeard, Kon, vasiln

Is this problem still present in 0.34.07+?
(0022345)
vasiln   
2012-04-23 00:34   
Not seeing undead spawn in the underworld in v34.x. Demons will still fight undead, but the fact that they don't appear to be entering from map edges makes it seem like less of a bug and more of an intended feature. Demons themselves appear invulnerable to any of the things that cause reanimation.
(0022347)
Footkerchief   
2012-04-23 06:53   
Okay. Please reopen this report or PM me on the forums if this problem is still present in 0.34.07+.