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0002694Dwarf FortressItemspublic2010-07-14 17:292010-11-15 03:48
ReporterRhenaya 
Assigned ToToady One 
PrioritynoneSeveritytextReproducibilityN/A
StatusresolvedResolutionfixed 
PlatformNotebookOSWindowsOS VersionVista
Product Version 
Target VersionFixed in Version0.31.18 
Summary0002694: Twohanded Weapon values are senseless
Description[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_2H]
[NAME:two-handed sword:two-handed swords]
...
[TWO_HANDED:67500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:62500]
...

now we look at the game raws: humans are 70000, goblins, dwarfs and elves are all 60000

this means: the later 3 are not able to wiled a 2h sword at all because they are 2500 to small.
but this also means humans will always use them one handed because they are 2500 above the two handed mark. there are actually no creatures able to wield them with two hands at all.

i think those weapons should more get something like

[TWO_HANDED:72500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:57500]

so everyone is able to use them 2 handed, and "big" humans (or bigger creatures as humans?) are able to wield them one handed.

actually all weapons but dagger and spears is the gap between minimum for two handed and one handed is just way to narrow (smaller weapons like short swords should be 2h for kobolds and one handed for everything else for example)

List of my suggestions with wider range for 2h: http://pastebin.com/69KiBJww [^]
Steps To Reproduce
Additional Informationi found this out while testing my drow mod, i use gender dimorphism so females are 70000 human sized and partially stronger than males with just 60000 (like default elves) if i set up a full squad with mauls (2h hammer) and mixed gender, the males wont pick up one at all and the females all use them in one hand

also i would consider a small dagger so kobolds can use them one handed too:
[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_DAGGER_small]
[NAME:dagger:daggers]
[ADJECTIVE:small]
[SIZE:150]
[SKILL:DAGGER]
[TWO_HANDED:5000]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:5000]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:1]
[ATTACK:EDGE:800:600:slash:slashes:NO_SUB:1250]
[ATTACK:EDGE:4:800:stab:stabs:NO_SUB:1000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:15:500:strike:strikes:pommel:1000]
TagsIntentional/Expected?, raw file, text, weapon
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Issue History
Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2010-07-14 17:29RhenayaNew Issue
2010-07-14 17:31smjjamesNote Added: 0010267
2010-07-14 18:20RhenayaNote Added: 0010271
2010-07-16 21:30RhenayaNote Added: 0010476
2010-07-20 18:24FootkerchiefTag Attached: Intentional/Expected?
2010-08-04 08:04RhenayaTag Attached: raw file
2010-08-04 08:04RhenayaTag Attached: text
2010-08-04 08:04RhenayaTag Attached: weapon
2010-11-15 03:48Toady OneNote Added: 0013863
2010-11-15 03:48Toady OneStatusnew => resolved
2010-11-15 03:48Toady OneFixed in Version => 0.31.18
2010-11-15 03:48Toady OneResolutionopen => fixed
2010-11-15 03:48Toady OneAssigned To => Toady One

Notes
(0010267)
smjjames   
2010-07-14 17:31   
This is more of a modding issue isn't it? I don't really see a bug other than that it could have issues with modding, but couldn't you just change the value?
(0010271)
Rhenaya   
2010-07-14 18:20   
well sure i could mod it, but i still think that values are off in general, so its a bug... just like the new values for the metals for .09 those are user research and toady implements them ;)
(0010476)
Rhenaya   
2010-07-16 21:30   
so i player around now a little:
vanilla values:
goblins, elfs and dwarfs wont use 2h style weapons ever
humans and bronze colossos will wield them in right or left hand

with my changed values:
goblins, elfs, dwarfs and humans will use them with "multigrasp"
bronze colossos will wield them in right or left hand

i know dwarfs and goblins are maybe a little to small for 2h weapons in human size, but then again elfs have same mass and should really be able to wield them :x
(0013863)
Toady One   
2010-11-15 03:48   
2H weapons are not intended to be usable by the smaller races, but I've altered the numbers for use by humans for 0.31.18.