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0003721Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Noblespublic2010-11-23 12:162014-08-12 14:14
ReporterQuietust 
Assigned ToFootkerchief 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityalways
StatusconfirmedResolutionopen 
PlatformOSOS Version
Product Version0.31.18 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0003721: [MENIAL_WORK_EXEMPTION] doesn't work?
DescriptionNoble positions with the [MENIAL_WORK_EXEMPTION] can still be assigned to perform any labor you want, and they will perform those labors just like any other dwarf - my Duchess is a legendary Leatherworker, and my recently arrived King has been observed hauling refuse to a garbage dump.

In 40d and earlier, these nobles could not be assigned any labors (they would give "The noble will not work.") and would only do the select few things that any dwarf would do (pulling levers, removing constructions, hauling items to the trade depot, harvesting plants, etc.).
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Tagsbinary patch
Relationships
related to 0003823new  Noble consorts have no room requirements, don't show up in Nobles screen 
related to 0007977confirmed Footkerchief Justice, Sleep Pretension, and Menial Work Exemption ignored for CIV-level nobles 
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Issue History
Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2010-11-23 12:16QuietustNew Issue
2010-11-23 12:21akdNote Added: 0014182
2010-11-23 12:59Logical2uNote Added: 0014183
2010-11-23 14:11QuietustNote Added: 0014185
2010-11-23 15:05Logical2uNote Added: 0014186
2010-11-25 19:42QuietustNote Added: 0014216
2012-04-04 08:46QuietustNote Added: 0022076
2012-04-04 10:37FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0003823
2014-08-12 13:48QuietustNote Added: 0028900
2014-08-12 13:524maskwolfIssue Monitored: 4maskwolf
2014-08-12 14:14FootkerchiefTag Attached: binary patch
2014-08-12 14:14FootkerchiefAssigned To => Footkerchief
2014-08-12 14:14FootkerchiefStatusnew => confirmed
2014-08-12 14:15FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0007977
2018-04-16 18:08HuntthetrollIssue Monitored: Huntthetroll

Notes
(0014182)
akd   
2010-11-23 12:21   
This has been the case probably since the earliest 0.31 version. I couldn't tell you which one, but I definitely played nobles as you described them long before the current version.
(0014183)
Logical2u   
2010-11-23 12:59   
Isn't MENIAL_WORK_EXEMPT only supposed to apply to jobs or not hauling? I always figured this was a consideration to make them able to carry food to their rooms, and able to dump the resulting mess.
(0014185)
Quietust   
2010-11-23 14:11   
The only noble positions that have [MENIAL_WORK_EXEMPTION] are the ones that did not permit setting labors at all back in 40d (and a few of the ones that didn't exist at all back then). In 0.31.xx, these nobles can still be assigned to do anything you want them to do - you can even set your King to perform masonry and churn out rock blocks nonstop.
(0014186)
Logical2u   
2010-11-23 15:05   
Yeah, the doing actual jobs is a bug - somehow I missed that and only saw the "dumping garbage" thing, which is what I was wondering about.
(0014216)
Quietust   
2010-11-25 19:42   
This should probably also prevent me from placing the noble in the military - as awesome as it would be to have my King leading my army (or even be subordinate to one of my militia captains), it's probably not intended to be that way.
(0022076)
Quietust   
2012-04-04 08:46   
Haven't checked in the latest version, but [MENIAL_WORK_EXEMPTION_SPOUSE] had the same problem back in 0.31.25 - it still causes the unit's job to show up as "Noble" when idle (rather than "No Job"), but it didn't disable labor assignments.
(0028900)
Quietust   
2014-08-12 13:48   
This is still the case in version 0.40.08, and it's clear why: the logic for checking MENIAL_WORK_EXEMPTION (or MENIAL_WORK_EXEMPTION_SPOUSE) to suppress the labor list (and display "The noble will not work") is only performed if the unit's profession is MERCHANT, TRAINED_HUNTER, TRAINED_WAR, MASTER_THIEF, THIEF, DRUNK, MONSTER_SLAYER, SCOUT, BEAST_HUNTER, SNATCHER, or MERCENARY.

By comparison, back in version 0.28.181.40d, all of the menial-work-exempt nobles were identified by Professions.

It should be noted that if this is fixed, appointing a noble to such a position should probably explicitly clear all "menial" labors (if it doesn't try to do so already), otherwise newly appointed Nobles will continue to perform their original labors and not allow you to turn them off.