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0003958Dwarf FortressCivilizations/Entities -- Generalpublic2011-02-16 10:192015-12-15 08:28
ReporterKhym Chanur 
Assigned To 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityhave not tried
StatusnewResolutionopen 
Platformx86 (AMD Athlon 7550 Dual-Core)OSMandriva OneOS Version2010 (2.6.33.7)
Product Version0.31.19 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0003958: Some dwarf civilizations have access to steel without access to iron
DescriptionIn a single world (random, genned from parameters, medium region) with four different dwarf civilizations to choose from, some will havde only steel anvils to choose from, while some will have both steel anvils and iron anvils.
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related to 0000812resolved Toady One Human civs lack STONE_PREF, only produce bronze items, have no anvils 
related to 0001127new  Worldgen without caverns does not allow embark with seeds/alcohol 
has duplicate 0004939resolved Knight Otu Cannot request iron from the dwarven caravan but can request pig iron and steel. 
has duplicate 0005424resolved Footkerchief No Iron Anvil in setup screen? 
has duplicate 0006115resolved Logical2u Materials dependant on materials not available are not selected properly 
has duplicate 0006350resolved Knight Otu Civ has no iron bars or iron ores but has access to steel and pig iron 
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Issue History
Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2011-02-16 10:19Khym ChanurNew Issue
2011-02-17 08:11Malibu StaceyNote Added: 0015186
2011-02-17 08:12Malibu StaceyNote Edited: 0015186bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0015186#r5749
2011-02-17 08:33FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0000812
2011-02-17 12:10IngloniasNote Added: 0015197
2011-02-17 12:12IngloniasIssue Monitored: Inglonias
2011-02-17 12:17IngloniasNote Edited: 0015197bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0015197#r5755
2011-02-17 12:18IngloniasNote Edited: 0015197bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0015197#r5756
2011-02-17 14:35VercingetorixNote Added: 0015211
2011-02-18 08:42FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0004005
2011-03-06 22:22DoctorZuberNote Added: 0015876
2011-03-06 22:34FootkerchiefSummarySome dwarf civilizations have steel but no iron => Some dwarf civilizations allow embark with steel anvils but not iron anvils
2011-03-09 18:54DoctorZuberIssue Monitored: DoctorZuber
2011-10-26 10:04Knight OtuRelationship addedhas duplicate 0004939
2011-10-26 10:09Knight OtuSummarySome dwarf civilizations allow embark with steel anvils but not iron anvils => Some dwarf civilizations have access to steel without access to iron
2012-02-23 19:00FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0001127
2012-02-23 19:00FootkerchiefRelationship deletedrelated to 0004005
2012-02-23 19:00FootkerchiefRelationship addedhas duplicate 0005424
2012-07-21 08:30Logical2uRelationship addedhas duplicate 0006115
2013-06-30 12:05Knight OtuRelationship addedhas duplicate 0006350
2015-12-14 02:43DetrosNote Added: 0033873
2015-12-15 08:28DeKaFuNote Added: 0033923

Notes
(0015186)
Malibu Stacey   
2011-02-17 08:11   
(edited on: 2011-02-17 08:12)
This is due to Civilizations always having access to the alloys listed for them in entity_default.txt but not necessarily access to the metals required for those alloys. They essentially make Steel & all the other alloys out of nothing (see pre-0.31.18 Humans who made Bronze weapons without having any access to Copper & Tin because they lacked the STONE_PREF tag in entity_default.txt). Hence if the civilization aren't deemed to have located any Iron, they won't have any goods made from Iron.

I guess in "game flavour" terms you could say that those civilizations are using all their Iron to make Steel either because they've learned how much better Steel is over Iron or they find Iron so rarely that they conserve it to make it all into Steel. Seeing as they have effectively infinite amounts of Steel either explanation works.

See 0000812
(0015197)
Inglonias   
2011-02-17 12:10   
(edited on: 2011-02-17 12:18)
I've noticed this too. This is distressing, because being forced to take a steel anvil means 200 fewer points on embark.
REPRODUCED: This is a screenshot comparing embark screens from two different civs on the same worldgen.
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s290/joeshmo5000/Proof1.jpg [^]
(0015211)
Vercingetorix   
2011-02-17 14:35   
I had a similar situation involving copper; I couldn't bring copper picks or axes, so I had to pay significantly more for those items and use the training axe exploit in order to have more.
(0015876)
DoctorZuber   
2011-03-06 22:22   
I had not seen this before 0.31.20/0.31.21

Now I've seen it several times. VERY ANNOYING!

Steel Anvils are expensive, And it's completely silly for dwarves to have steel but not iron since steel is MADE FROM IRON!!! Couple this with the finder failing to respect flux (0002440), not to mention (0004005) where civs fail to have any food, and I've now wasted well over an hour simply trying to embark.

Sigh... Off to try again.
(0033873)
Detros   
2015-12-14 02:43   
Can confirm in 0.42.03 (world generated in 0.42.02).
Civilization of this fort (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=11469 [^]) has just one other site and offered me only steel anvils, no iron ones. I do not see that as a bad thing though, I took it similarly to Malibu Stacey (0003958:0015186).
(0033923)
DeKaFu   
2015-12-15 08:28   
I noticed this incidentally in the same save I submitted for 0009344. No iron, only steel on embark. Didn't think much of it at the time because I never embark with anvils anyway. Should work as another example save though, if needed.