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0007433Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Invasionspublic2014-07-17 19:182014-08-10 11:05
ReporterSteveTheRed 
Assigned ToFootkerchief 
PrioritynormalSeveritymajorReproducibilityalways
StatusresolvedResolutionno change required 
PlatformWindowsOS7OS Version64 bit SP 1
Product Version0.40.03 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0007433: Goblins climb out of pits
DescriptionEvidently goblins have mastered the climbing skill too!

Pits, formerly one of the mainstays of my fortress defence, and an integral component of more complex traps, are no longer an obstacle to those cunning invaders. When dropped into pits (by bridges opening under them, for example) they just climb right out again!

They even scale smooth walls.
Steps To Reproduce
Additional InformationSmooth walls seem to offer no resistance to climbing. An overhang does seem to provide an insurmountable obstacle, so long as it's at least one z-level above the ground (that is, the following layout does seem to prevent climbing:

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If the overhang is closer to the ground then the goblins seem to be able to jump up to the next level and start climbing.
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Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2014-07-17 19:18SteveTheRedNew Issue
2014-07-17 19:28FootkerchiefNote Added: 0026806
2014-07-17 19:28FootkerchiefStatusnew => resolved
2014-07-17 19:28FootkerchiefResolutionopen => no change required
2014-07-17 19:28FootkerchiefAssigned To => Footkerchief
2014-07-17 19:29FootkerchiefStatusresolved => needs feedback
2014-07-17 19:29FootkerchiefResolutionno change required => reopened
2014-07-17 19:30FootkerchiefNote Edited: 0026806bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0026806#r9997
2014-07-17 19:33SteveTheRedNote Added: 0026807
2014-07-17 19:33SteveTheRedStatusneeds feedback => assigned
2014-07-17 19:35AseaHeruNote Added: 0026808
2014-07-17 19:44SteveTheRedNote Added: 0026812
2014-07-17 20:00FootkerchiefNote Added: 0026816
2014-07-17 20:00FootkerchiefStatusassigned => needs feedback
2014-07-17 23:15Amena RalikemaNote Added: 0026838
2014-08-10 11:05FootkerchiefNote Added: 0028740
2014-08-10 11:05FootkerchiefStatusneeds feedback => resolved
2014-08-10 11:05FootkerchiefResolutionreopened => no change required

Notes
(0026806)
Footkerchief   
2014-07-17 19:28   
(edited on: 2014-07-17 19:30)
Are the smooth walls natural or constructed? Natural smooth walls are the only kind that isn't supposed to be climbable.
(0026807)
SteveTheRed   
2014-07-17 19:33   
These were constructed smooth walls.

I would have thought that intentionally smoothed walls would be harder to scale than natural ones?
(0026808)
AseaHeru   
2014-07-17 19:35   
No, the list is rough, built, smoothed.
(0026812)
SteveTheRed   
2014-07-17 19:44   
Ah - I assumed that by "constructed" you meant using the designate for smoothing command. These were created by smoothing natural stone, not by building walls, if that's the difference there (I was wondering where would one get "natural" smoothed walls).
(0026816)
Footkerchief   
2014-07-17 20:00   
Here's the relevant devlog: http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_2013.html#2013-08-04 [^]
"I also went back and did a few climbing issues still on the table -- there is a climbing skill now, and things like constructed block walls are harder to climb than constructed rough walls (smoothed natural walls can't be climbed at all, at least while we are still dealing with tool-less people)."

So yeah, if they're climbing smooth natural walls, that's a bug. Please upload a save that demonstrates the problem to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] and post the link here.
(0026838)
Amena Ralikema   
2014-07-17 23:15   
About "one of the mainstays of my fortress defense":

"01/18/2014 Toady One I mentioned in the last FotF reply that non-player climbing and jumping were still open questions and that I'd have to try them out before I knew how much we'd have this time around. That was today's project, and it looks we'll be having them both. This includes dwarf mode, so you might have to rethink certain defensive decisions you've been making. (...)"

:) I'm dreaming of walls topped with spikes/glass/flint. I guess it's too much to hope for concertina wire.

On the bright side, climbers don't seem to be able to climb fortifications (they shows up as "Empty Space"), at least in the OTArena.
(0028740)
Footkerchief   
2014-08-10 11:05   
Didn't get a save. Assuming the walls were not smooth natural walls.