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0007447Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Jobs, Cooking and Foodpublic2014-07-17 23:192016-10-11 19:12
ReporterFootkerchief 
Assigned ToLoci 
PriorityurgentSeveritymajorReproducibilityalways
StatusresolvedResolutionunable to reproduce 
PlatformOSOS Version
Product Version0.40.01 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0007447: Brewing doesn't work
DescriptionThis is the second time I have encountered this. The first time, I restarted and attempted a new fortress - it has happened again.

This problem has surfaced recently on the DF Gameplay Questions forums under a few posts. It appears to be happening to more than just myself, and it is identical in all cases.

For whatever reason, though well supplied in empty barrels, plump helmets / cave wheat, and either having all the proper links or no links at all to the workshop, my dwarfs are completely unable to brew.

The options are redded out in the workshop, and though I can add the task with a manager, I get the following:

so and so cancels Brew drink from plant: Needs unrotten DRINK_MAT-producing plants.

It does not make any sense to be receiving this error when I have a surplus of plants which can be brewed, and all are readily available, unrestricted
Steps To Reproduce
Additional InformationThe only thing I am using other than vanilla is a basic graphics tileset
TagsNo tags attached.
Relationships
related to 0006849resolved Footkerchief No brew permission for Plump Helmet In Kitchen menu. 
related to 0000434resolved Toady One Reaction jobs (unlike other jobs) don't look outside burrow for workers and raw materials (works through manager) 
related to 0006940confirmed Dwarfu Some plants unusable as food, brewing and planting. 
related to 0005992resolved Toady One Conflict between hauling jobs (i.e. filling containers) and other jobs using items in those containers 
related to 0007423confirmed Footkerchief Can't brew embark-bought fruits (in bags?) 
related to 0009004confirmed Loci "Store item in container" jobs block access to all items already in the container 
parent of 0007645resolved Dwarfu Stockpiles giving to brewery not working correctly 
has duplicate 0007517resolved Dwarfu Unable to brew booze 
has duplicate 0007844resolved Dwarfu Unable to brew beer, have accessible empty barrels and plump helmets 
has duplicate 0007896resolved lethosor Stills wont make booze 
has duplicate 0008608resolved Footkerchief Can't brew drinks, even with established workarounds. 
Attached Files
Issue History
Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2014-07-17 23:19FootkerchiefNew Issue
2014-07-17 23:19FootkerchiefStatusnew => assigned
2014-07-17 23:19FootkerchiefAssigned To => Footkerchief
2014-07-17 23:19FootkerchiefIssue generated from0006784
2014-07-18 01:16jpcostaIssue Monitored: jpcosta
2014-07-18 02:12Khym ChanurNote Added: 0026847
2014-07-18 07:43FootkerchiefNote Added: 0026858
2014-07-18 07:53FootkerchiefNote Edited: 0026858bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0026858#r10018
2014-07-18 07:53FootkerchiefStatusassigned => needs feedback
2014-07-18 07:55FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0006849
2014-07-18 07:55FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0000434
2014-07-18 07:57FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0006784
2014-07-20 16:56DwarfuRelationship addedhas duplicate 0007517
2014-07-21 02:29VuliatisNote Added: 0027109
2014-07-21 02:37VuliatisNote Edited: 0027109bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0027109#r10131
2014-07-21 02:37VuliatisNote Deleted: 0027109
2014-07-23 12:34Knight OtuNote Added: 0027342
2014-07-26 09:14DwarfuRelationship addedparent of 0007645
2014-07-26 09:14DwarfuRelationship deletedparent of 0007645
2014-07-26 09:17DwarfuNote Added: 0027617
2014-07-26 09:18DwarfuRelationship addedparent of 0007645
2014-07-27 14:59torrenalNote Added: 0027713
2014-07-27 15:00torrenalIssue Monitored: torrenal
2014-07-27 15:04FootkerchiefNote Added: 0027717
2014-07-27 15:04FootkerchiefStatusneeds feedback => assigned
2014-07-27 15:04FootkerchiefNote Edited: 0027717bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0027717#r10472
2014-07-27 15:06FootkerchiefNote Edited: 0027717bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0027717#r10473
2014-07-27 15:35torrenalNote Added: 0027726
2014-08-04 18:21DwarfuRelationship addedhas duplicate 0007844
2014-08-04 19:124maskwolfIssue Monitored: 4maskwolf
2014-08-04 21:39fortunawhiskNote Added: 0028351
2014-08-04 21:40fortunawhiskNote Edited: 0028351bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0028351#r10766
2014-08-04 21:51fortunawhiskNote Edited: 0028351bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0028351#r10767
2014-08-04 21:54fortunawhiskNote Edited: 0028351bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0028351#r10770
2014-08-06 03:04denegorIssue Monitored: denegor
2014-08-07 15:44lethosorNote Added: 0028542
2014-08-07 16:59LociNote Added: 0028545
2014-08-07 17:59lethosorRelationship addedhas duplicate 0007896
2014-08-07 18:12FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0006940
2014-08-07 18:13FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0005992
2014-08-07 18:14FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0007423
2014-08-07 18:16FootkerchiefNote Added: 0028554
2014-08-07 18:37lethosorNote Added: 0028556
2014-08-07 18:37lethosorNote Edited: 0028542bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0028542#r10932
2014-08-09 23:33torrenalNote Added: 0028701
2014-08-12 12:22psisquaredIssue Monitored: psisquared
2014-08-12 12:27psisquaredNote Added: 0028891
2014-08-12 13:41fortunawhiskNote Added: 0028898
2014-08-12 13:45LociNote Added: 0028899
2014-08-12 14:51fortunawhiskNote Added: 0028902
2014-08-12 15:57psisquaredNote Added: 0028903
2014-08-13 22:28xenofeelIssue Monitored: xenofeel
2014-08-13 22:36xenofeelIssue End Monitor: xenofeel
2014-08-13 22:36xenofeelIssue Monitored: xenofeel
2014-08-15 07:06FootkerchiefStatusassigned => needs feedback
2014-08-20 01:17JoshuaRavenNote Added: 0029345
2014-08-20 02:16Rafal99Note Added: 0029346
2014-08-20 02:16Rafal99Note Edited: 0029346bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0029346#r11273
2014-08-20 02:59JoshuaRavenNote Added: 0029349
2014-08-27 20:54thriggleNote Added: 0029736
2014-08-28 04:44LociNote Added: 0029740
2014-09-23 17:39arcosantiNote Added: 0030336
2014-09-23 17:39arcosantiNote Edited: 0030336bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0030336#r11848
2014-09-26 00:20drumrNote Added: 0030371
2014-09-26 04:31Authority2Note Added: 0030372
2014-09-26 17:09drumrNote Added: 0030390
2014-12-08 09:01FootkerchiefRelationship addedhas duplicate 0008608
2014-12-08 09:01FootkerchiefIssue Monitored: Wokimeittes
2015-03-12 19:13Afghani84Note Added: 0032371
2015-03-12 19:13Afghani84Issue Monitored: Afghani84
2016-10-10 17:004maskwolfNote Added: 0035970
2016-10-11 06:57LociRelationship addedrelated to 0009004
2016-10-11 19:12LociNote Added: 0035972
2016-10-11 19:12LociStatusneeds feedback => resolved
2016-10-11 19:12LociResolutionopen => unable to reproduce
2016-10-11 19:12LociAssigned ToFootkerchief => Loci
2016-10-24 11:594maskwolfIssue End Monitor: 4maskwolf
2017-01-09 15:25Afghani84Issue End Monitor: Afghani84

Notes
(0026847)
Khym Chanur   
2014-07-18 02:12   
Might be related to bug 0007423, where I have no problem brewing plump helmets but can't brew fruits.
(0026858)
Footkerchief   
2014-07-18 07:43   
(edited on: 2014-07-18 07:53)
NOTE FROM THE MANAGERS

This is a clone of a slightly older report that got messed up by the accidental sending of like a thousand reminders. Here's a screenshot of the older report:
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9052 [^]

And a plain text version for your copy-pasting pleasure:
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Q1hmc3p6 [^]

The current status is that we're still waiting for a save that shows broken brewing in a way that's not explained by 0000434 or by the plant barrels being hauled.
(0027342)
Knight Otu   
2014-07-23 12:34   
A custom reaction of mine has spurred me to some tests, and I'm pretty sure that brewing works, at least brewing plants, because 0003224 has been partially resolved - reactions can at least look for PLANT items in containers, and presumably for PLANT_GROWTH items. (0003224 can still cause problems for modding, though - reactions at least *cannot* look for NONE placeholder items in barrels, something I had done to reduce reaction clutter - it worked once I changed it to PLANT and got my dwarves to put the plants in question into a barrel. Whether real item types are affected I can't say for certain.)
(0027617)
Dwarfu   
2014-07-26 09:17   
For anyone having issues, please note that if you have plant stockpiles giving to a still, the still also needs a furniture stockpile (with empty barrels) giving to it as well. The same would go for any workshop using a reaction requiring a separate container.
(0027713)
torrenal   
2014-07-27 14:59   
I've had the same thing happen as reported here. No stockpiles giving to the still, available food, etc. I'd fixed it by putting a brewables stockpile adjacent to the Still. I can upload a save where it's broken if anyone wants to take a look.
(0027717)
Footkerchief   
2014-07-27 15:04   
(edited on: 2014-07-27 15:06)
torrenal: is it explained by the still being in a burrow? If not, please upload the save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] and post the link here.
(0027726)
torrenal   
2014-07-27 15:35   
Bloody... Ok, a quick test while I was waiting on the upload gave me odd results:
I only have one Burrow, the 'Get everyone indoors' burrow I use for sieges & such.

The burrow has no members.
The active alert 'Inactive' does not include the burrow
- My understanding is this Burrow has no effect on anything in any way, until I add dwarves or the current Civilian Alert includes it.

The still is physically within the burrow.
My current food stockpiles are not (I haven't needed the burrow for a while)

If I add the food stockpiles to the burrow, I can brew.

My understanding of the correct operation of burrows would not explain the bug, but modifying my burrows does impact what I see.

The save, if you still want it is: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9176 [^]
(0028351)
fortunawhisk   
2014-08-04 21:39   
(edited on: 2014-08-04 21:54)
Problem appears to be the still automatically picks up the boundaries of any burrow it is placed in.

For the 9176 save, fixes are:
- Remove the burrow
- Extend the burrow to cover z91 (where the plant barrels are)
- Build another still on z91, outside the "Inside" burrow

This can replicated in a default 40.06 embark.
- Embark
- Build a still and a carpenter
- Build a barrel at the carpenter
- Validate still now has Brew drink option
- Create a burrow over the still (can be paused here)
- Brew drink goes away
- Extend burrow over carpenter and wagon
- Brew drink comes back

Note: You can still queue brewing a drink via the manager, and it will complete whether the still is in the burrow or not.
(0028542)
lethosor   
2014-08-07 15:44   
(edited on: 2014-08-07 18:37)
That makes this report sound a lot like 0000434. Has anyone been able to reproduce this without any burrows? (Edit: 0007447:0028556)
(0028545)
Loci   
2014-08-07 16:59   
The problem is there are at least four different brewing bugs at present. Sorting out which one is responsible for each issue isn't easy.

1.)Burrows erroneously apply to workshop reactions, which brewing now is
2.)Hauling issues
3.)Dozens of plants aren't brewable because their handling code is incomplete (including strawberries)
4.)Brewable fruits purchased at embark don't work because they come in bags
5.)Corrupted raws (mis-installation) can disable brewing entirely (not a bug, but still a wide-spread source of confusion)


We really need to get some of these issues sorted out so we can determine whether or not there are any underlying issues.
(0028554)
Footkerchief   
2014-08-07 18:16   
Loci -- those should all be related to this report now, except for 5, which is probably not solvable.
(0028556)
lethosor   
2014-08-07 18:37   
According to 0007896, this can occur without burrows.
(0028701)
torrenal   
2014-08-09 23:33   
Not only are there bugs present, but even without bugs, it's bloody easy to put yourself into a situation where you can't brew.

I'd appreciate a little feedback as to what specifically is blocking a brew - could you flag the reagents the game sees as unavailable? Then at least I'd know at a glance if the issue was getting brewable food to the still, or daft me forgetting to make more barrels...
(0028891)
psisquared   
2014-08-12 12:27   
I just started a game Linux v40.08 and brewing isn't an option at all in the still, using a manager, or in the kitchen menu. Here is the save:
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9369 [^]
(0028898)
fortunawhisk   
2014-08-12 13:41   
@psisquared: From the 9369 save, your raws appeared to be modified from the 40.08 defaults. Specifically, the plants_standard is missing (what I think is) the brew reaction for the plants.
[MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:DRINK_MAT:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:DRINK]

Unfortunately, just adding it back and restarting is not enough to fix. If you could post what pack/launcher/graphics set you're using, that may help others with the same problem. Plant raws actually appear to resemble the 34.11 branch?
(0028899)
Loci   
2014-08-12 13:45   
@psisquared:

Your raws are scrogged (0006849). In particular, reaction_other.txt is missing entries for

[REACTION:BREW_DRINK_FROM_PLANT]
[REACTION:BREW_DRINK_FROM_PLANT_GROWTH]

Try a fresh install, and avoid using any mods or utilities designed for older versions.
(0028902)
fortunawhisk   
2014-08-12 14:51   
In case it proves useful:

https://imgur.com/1dsqy2l [^]

Top shot shows "can't brew" due to broken raws.
Bot shot shows "can't brew" due to no plants, no containers, burrows, etc.
(0028903)
psisquared   
2014-08-12 15:57   
Thanks for the help. Sorry to waste bug squashing time. The only mod I was using was the Obsidian tileset. I must have screwed something up installing it.
(0029345)
JoshuaRaven   
2014-08-20 01:17   
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9455 [^]

I am having the exact same issue.

- 40.08
- Using "Starter Pack" with DFHack.
- During this save, brewing used to work, but somehow it stopped working
- Plenty of "Plump Helmet" available
- Some empty barrels
- No (relevant) stockpile links
- I do have a "go inside" civilian burrow, but both the still and stockpiles are part of it
(0029346)
Rafal99   
2014-08-20 02:16   
I tested JoshuaRaven's save ( http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9455 [^] ).

Brew Drink job is red, but looking at the detailed view in stocks screen, there is not a single empty barrel that is not already assigned to a stockpile. There is 93 barrels total but all of them are used.
So I did these steps:
- set reserved barrels to 5
- ordered carpenter to make a barrel and waited until he finishes
- waited until the new barrel gets moved to stockpile
- Brew Drink job became available, so I ordered it
- the dwarf successfully grabbed a barrel and some Plump Helmets and completed the job producing a drink.

So there is no bug in that save.
(0029349)
JoshuaRaven   
2014-08-20 02:59   
That was awkward. I did test that there where empty barrels (but the save might be from a different moment). Maybe I was affected by the "barrel in use by hauling", but the empty barrel was sitting in the stockpile, so that might be why I missed that.

You are right that I tested it again, and it now works, so please ignore my comment.
(0029736)
thriggle   
2014-08-27 20:54   
I saw people complaining about this bug on reddit mention that repeatedly dismantling and rebuilding the still eventually made the problem go away. Witnessed this myself and I think I've made a connection: the game is allowing you to build a still without requiring obstacles (i.e. boulders) to be first removed from the construction zone. Possible that a still built with a boulder resting within its boundaries has its Brew drink job disabled. Repeatedly dismantling the still seems to move the boulder around until it's not in the area; you could theoretically also manually clear the area by dumping it. Will do further testing to confirm.
(0029740)
Loci   
2014-08-28 04:44   
It is more likely that dismantling and rebuilding the still keeps the player preoccupied while the dwarf with the fortress's only plant barrel gets done hauling it across the map to pick up the useless grape vines that the herbalist "gathered".

All buildings (stills included) should cause the constructing dwarf to move any obstructing items to an adjacent tile. If you build your workshops directly next to each other, the items from the second workshop's tiles may end up placed on top of the first workshop. Items on top of a building, however, appear to have no impact on the functionality of the building.

I tested this in 0.40.10; items were correctly cleared from the still's building site, and after I dumped several rocks on top of the still it remained functional.
(0030336)
arcosanti   
2014-09-23 17:39   
I believe Loci's comment is correct. I just encountered this bug in 0.40.13 with the conditions that appear to be:

- plants and fruit exist to be brewed and are set brewable in the kitchen
- empty barrels exist
- all plant barrels are currently in the inventory of dwarves on their way to farm plots that have harvestable food

This is with no burrows, no fruits/plants purchased at embark, and vanilla DF. As such, it seems to be strictly related to hauling. I can provide the save if desired.
(0030371)
drumr   
2014-09-26 00:20   
v 0.40.12 from DF Starter Pack http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=126076 [^]

This is my 3rd game/fortress from this install. I was able to brew in other games but no more.

DF Starter Pack Settings I changed for the 3rd game: Invaders: no, Child Cap 1:1
I also built 2 Stills right away, which I hadn't done before.
Stocks show 15 barrels. I can see them in the stockpile.
Drinks: 0

Kitchen shows 'COOK'able:
pig tail seeds
plump helmet spawn
cave wheat seeds
sweet pod seeds
rock nuts
plump helmets
turkey tallow
fox tallow

None of these have a 'BREW' option to enable. They all have '- - - -' for the last column.

After reading suggestions here I tried removing one Still building, leaving one behind. Plump Helmets then regained its 'BREW' option. I have two dwarfs selected as brewers but they'd rather farm or 'no job'. Brewing fruit and plant is queued with the manager. I removed and rebuilt this last Still but the problem still existed.

On to the last step. With the manager queuing 10 fruit and 10 plant brews I added 'brew drink from plant' directly to the Still with 'q'. My brewer is getting to work. Drinks: 3. Waiting to see if this happens again.

This is an ongoing issue with the game though. Several dwarfs died of dehydration over the winter before I reloaded a previous save to bring you what I have above. They weren't brewing.
(0030372)
Authority2   
2014-09-26 04:31   
I've had this happen when I only had one plant container containing all my brewable plants in the stockpile. Adding enough plants to fill more barrels or dumping the plants out of the container into a stockpile with barrels disabled let brewing continue.
This was in something like 40.05/6, though, so I don't know if it's still the case.
(0030390)
drumr   
2014-09-26 17:09   
Observation continued from above:

During this whole process I have a stockpile designated for Food and another for Furniture & Finished Goods.

Seeds, plants, & fish were visible in the food pile and barrels in the Furniture/Finished pile. There were no barrels in the food stockpile even after the brewer got to work. I watched him retrieve a plant & bring it to the Still and then a barrel. The barrels never left the Still. My drink count was going up and stockpiles were not visually filling with barrels of drinks. The Still would flash a barrel in the lower right corner of the Still, as if it needed to be moved out.

A trader arrived and I moved a barrel of fish or wine to the depot along with gems. Sometime during or after this whole trading process my goods were returned to stockpiles in barrels. There were no individual items laying around.

This sounds like normal behavior except new brew barrels were not returned to the food stockpile AND the plump helmets were missing the 'BREW' option in the kitchen.

I have NOT assigned any barrels anywhere. Will/Should my dwarves auto-fill barrels if they are assigned to the stockpile?
(0032371)
Afghani84   
2015-03-12 19:13   
I don't know if this is still an issue for some people. I encountered the same problem as well and found an easy solution to it. I had a furniture stockpile with empty barrels (linked to the still) and another stockpile for brewable plants (not linked). Once I linked the plant stockpile to the still, it worked just fine.
(0035970)
4maskwolf   
2016-10-10 17:00   
I haven't seen any problems of this kind since at least .42, has anyone else run across this or has this one been fixed?
(0035972)
Loci   
2016-10-11 19:12   
This report became a catch-all for vague brewing problems. There are still outstanding bugs that interfere with brewing (0007423, 0009004), but much of this report is now outdated and nothing appears actionable.