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0007983Dwarf FortressCreaturespublic2014-08-12 21:142017-02-03 17:17
ReporterSelcouthBadger 
Assigned ToLoci 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityalways
StatusacknowledgedResolutionopen 
PlatformOSOSXOS VersionMavericks
Product Version0.40.08 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0007983: Creatures without [CHILD] state cannot be tamed, only trained.
DescriptionBefore 0.40.xx, creatures without the [CHILD] state tag wouldn't breed. Now that they can, I've noticed that they can never be fully tamed since only child animals may be tamed.

Perhaps this is intentional - it would probably make sense with dragons and rocs but not with Giant Cave Spiders, Helmet Snakes, and other mundanes - but if it isn't I figured it should be reported.
Steps To ReproduceCapture any non-child tagged animal and try to breed and tame it.
Additional Information
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has duplicate 0009994resolved Loci Crundles lack [CHILD] tag, making them untamable 
has duplicate 0009635resolved Loci Giant gray squirrels aren't reproducing correctly 
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Issue History
Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2014-08-12 21:14SelcouthBadgerNew Issue
2014-08-13 01:38SivartyNote Added: 0028926
2014-08-13 02:04weegthNote Added: 0028927
2014-08-13 16:15SelcouthBadgerNote Added: 0028997
2014-08-13 16:324maskwolfIssue Monitored: 4maskwolf
2014-08-16 11:53SelcouthBadgerIssue Monitored: SelcouthBadger
2014-08-16 12:02ButtonIssue Monitored: Button
2016-09-06 03:03LociRelationship addedhas duplicate 0009994
2017-02-03 14:31LociRelationship addedhas duplicate 0009635
2017-02-03 14:32LociAssigned To => Loci
2017-02-03 14:32LociStatusnew => acknowledged
2017-02-03 17:17FantasticDorfNote Added: 0036259
2017-06-08 19:15HuntthetrollIssue Monitored: Huntthetroll

Notes
(0028926)
Sivarty   
2014-08-13 01:38   
I didn't think any wild animals could be tamed unless they where children. The most you could get an adult wild animal was to masterfully trained.
(0028927)
weegth   
2014-08-13 02:04   
Yes, but it doesn't make much sense for lack of [CHILD] to implicitly make animals untameable even if they are trained since birth. There should be a separate tag for making creature impossible to tame.
(0028997)
SelcouthBadger   
2014-08-13 16:15   
That's the point, you *should* be able to tame wild animals and you *can*, for the most part; however, animals that lack [CHILD] tags are never children and thus are untamable.
(0036259)
FantasticDorf   
2017-02-03 17:17   
Vermin can't be tamed either because they have no normal [CHILD] tokens, as mentioned by relation to issue 0009635, you could fix this applying the changes individually or giving them a separate creature variation template to use (and adding onto that).

Toady has talked about animal domestication at perhaps a non child defined stage, not at great length or as a immediate development goal but certainly out there related to scholars & innovation devgoals or along those lines. Responses like that can be found in old FotF replies & comments on the DFforums like http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=140544.msg6583653#msg6583653 [^]

Though there is a more directly mentioned reply from toady somewhere about his thoughts on properly taming creatures somewhere in that time period i can't find right now. At the moment until that development focus manifests we're stuck with adult's emerging from eggs or being live birthed (with a little specified size difference & growth) leaving this 'inconvenient gameplay feature' untouched without direct modding intervention.