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0009134Dwarf FortressAdventure Mode -- Generalpublic2015-12-01 16:212020-03-02 02:06
ReporterGentlefood 
Assigned ToFootkerchief 
PrioritylowSeverityminorReproducibilityalways
StatusconfirmedResolutionopen 
PlatformMacbook ProOSWin 10OS Version
Product Version0.42.01 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0009134: Plump Helmet men cannot perform or pray due to inability to speak.
DescriptionPlump helmet men cannot perform or pray using the "k" key due to their inability to speak.
Steps To Reproduce1. Become a plump helmet man
2. Attempt to play or pray
3. Fail.
Additional Information
TagsNo tags attached.
Relationships
has duplicate 0009183resolved Knight Otu Plump Helmet Men Can't Dance 
related to 0009517new  Plump helmet men try to become necromancers 
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Issue History
Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2015-12-01 16:21GentlefoodNew Issue
2015-12-01 16:23GentlefoodNote Added: 0033225
2015-12-03 03:08Knight OtuRelationship addedhas duplicate 0009183
2015-12-03 10:37FootkerchiefAssigned To => Footkerchief
2015-12-03 10:37FootkerchiefStatusnew => confirmed
2016-11-08 05:50LociRelationship addedrelated to 0009517
2017-12-17 15:07chaosvoltNote Added: 0037345
2017-12-17 15:08chaosvoltIssue Monitored: chaosvolt
2017-12-23 08:25FantasticDorfNote Added: 0037387
2017-12-24 15:45chaosvoltNote Added: 0037394
2020-03-02 01:48FantasticDorfNote Added: 0040294
2020-03-02 02:06FantasticDorfNote Added: 0040295

Notes
(0033225)
Gentlefood   
2015-12-01 16:23   
Additionally, this means social interaction need cannot be filled.
(0037345)
chaosvolt   
2017-12-17 15:07   
Also, how would they logically join a civ if they can't speak? In game terms I assume it merely considers CAN_LEARN without looking for CAN_SPEAK, but it does create a "wait, this seems a bit silly" thought to me.
(0037387)
FantasticDorf   
2017-12-23 08:25   
[LOCAL_POPS_CONTROLLABLE] & [LOCAL_POPS_PRODUCE_HEROES] is not a discriminatory tag in this respect to said creature being unable to speak. Social needs derived from speaking being inaccessible is also a separate issue related to inability to recognize the circumstances compared to other 'template' sentient needs.

Experience with other creatures who can't speak in native populations (such as applying [USE_EVIL_ANIMALS] trolls on embark) shows that they can workship & sing when the AI is driving the activity.

So more appropriately the issue report summary should be that the adventurer cannot, whilst the AI can. Removing both the local pops tags and removing their access from adventure mode would be a advisable short term modding solution.
(0037394)
chaosvolt   
2017-12-24 15:45   
Ah right. Those are the tags that do it. I'd say the easier solution is just allow plump helmet men to speak. No real reason not to.

Then again, plump helmet men kinda suck, so I guess there's no reason not to remove the ability to let them join civs too...
(0040294)
FantasticDorf   
2020-03-02 01:48   
Still present in 47.03 (presumably 47.04), anecdotally being unable to converse they stand around much of the time inside the tavern with 'No Job' neither speaking to dwarves socialising around them but occasionally being served by the tavern keeper as much as they need alcohol not sharing rumors.

I wouldnt know if they wanted a job or were just curious coming to relax/corrupt local dwarves for a purpose, but being unable to enunciate they seem harmless enough with no trouble from them, then they left of their own accord, being a bit useless to thier purpose neither learning anything, taking part in local activities or having it be known what they want.
(0040295)
FantasticDorf   
2020-03-02 02:06   
The female plump helmet hammerman 'Unbeh Crevicemen' is arriving in the background upon loading this bugged save for 47.03, if you navigate to 'other units' and follow them through to the tavern; observe for a bit, ignoring the moody dwarf or anything else going on.

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