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0009950Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Locationspublic2016-08-01 19:062018-01-24 17:59
Reporterediblesideburns 
Assigned ToToady One 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityalways
StatusresolvedResolutionfixed 
PlatformWindows 7OSOS Version
Product Version0.43.05 
Target VersionFixed in Version0.44.06 
Summary0009950: Scribes do not scribe
DescriptionNo matter how many times you enable or disable labours or forbid and unforbid materials, scribes just stand around and do nothing despite having ample material. Does not appear to be the same bug as http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=9244 [^] since the jobs never even begin.
Steps To ReproduceLoad the save http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12321 [^] and watch the scribes do nothing even after you disable all their labours and fiddle with the fort stocks.
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Relationships
related to 0009244resolved Toady One Scribes rarely, if ever, copy works in the library 
child of 0009787resolved Toady One Scribes intermittently stop copying works in the library 
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Issue History
Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2016-08-01 19:06ediblesideburnsNew Issue
2016-08-01 20:07InfantIguanaNote Added: 0035734
2016-08-02 06:13ediblesideburnsNote Added: 0035736
2016-08-02 08:34InfantIguanaNote Added: 0035738
2016-08-02 08:47ediblesideburnsNote Added: 0035739
2016-08-02 13:37LociRelationship addedrelated to 0009787
2016-09-26 12:54wierdwNote Added: 0035904
2016-09-26 12:59wierdwNote Edited: 0035904bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0035904#r14477
2016-09-27 03:38EvansNote Added: 0035911
2017-05-06 09:24lethosorRelationship addedrelated to 0009244
2017-11-29 21:15DwarfuNote Added: 0037127
2017-11-29 21:22DwarfuAssigned To => Dwarfu
2017-11-29 21:22DwarfuStatusnew => acknowledged
2017-11-29 21:43DwarfuNote Edited: 0037127bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0037127#r14975
2017-11-29 21:47DwarfuNote Edited: 0037127bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0037127#r14976
2017-11-29 21:56DwarfuNote Edited: 0037127bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0037127#r14977
2017-11-30 01:57DwarfuNote Edited: 0037127bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0037127#r14978
2017-11-30 02:00DwarfuRelationship replacedchild of 0009787
2017-11-30 02:10DwarfuNote Added: 0037138
2017-12-04 03:29DwarfuNote Edited: 0037127bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0037127#r15012
2018-01-24 17:59Toady OneStatusacknowledged => resolved
2018-01-24 17:59Toady OneFixed in Version => Next Version
2018-01-24 17:59Toady OneResolutionopen => fixed
2018-01-24 17:59Toady OneAssigned ToDwarfu => Toady One

Notes
(0035734)
InfantIguana   
2016-08-01 20:07   
Perhaps this is a relative of 0009787? That one also involves scribes not doing their jobs for no clear reason.
(0035736)
ediblesideburns   
2016-08-02 06:13   
I would suggest that it's probably separate since the dwarves don't start the task and get distracted; the jobs never start, even after years. Perhaps it's similar in ways that I can't see though.
(0035738)
InfantIguana   
2016-08-02 08:34   
I was able to make a scribe copy a book in the provided save by assigning a new scribe to the library - the scribe being former gem cutter Udil Abodalath - and afterwards forbidding/unforbidding a book. Another scribe, Tholtig Gasolid, seemed to copy the other remaining book without any encouragement, although I had to forbid/unforbid that book as well in order to get them to finish the job due to the occurrence of issue 0009787.

Can anyone replicate this?
(0035739)
ediblesideburns   
2016-08-02 08:47   
I can confirm that I was able to replicate part of this - it seems that forbidding/unforbidding the works to be copied is what encourages the scribes to start copying. However, they will never begin for me without this input. In addition, they do get distracted and stop copying as per the bug http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=9787 [^] which is fixed by forbidding/unforbidding.
(0035904)
wierdw   
2016-09-26 12:54   
(edited on: 2016-09-26 12:59)
I am experiencing the same issue, but forbidding and unforbidding books or quires does not encourage copying. The only activity with written quires or codices is to read them.

Scribes still just stand around being useless, and or-- running off to go party in the tavern.

I can supply a save if needed.
(0035911)
Evans   
2016-09-27 03:38   
Same here. They initially copied many items, but after 100+ copies they no longer do so.

I tried forbidding/unforbidding - initially it helped but now it doesn't.

Books and scrolls are in the Bookcases with blue 'TSK' next to them, I guess the game just goes silly when there are so many items queued to copy.
(0037127)
Dwarfu   
2017-11-29 21:15   
(edited on: 2017-12-04 03:29)
Note: I since found 0009418 that discovered this problem.

As of 44.02, my scribe did not continue copying books after making a few copies. It seems the library is counting even written scrolls as "writing material".

In the current game, in the 'l' menu, the library shows:
total objects (incl. copies): 38
writing material (desired): 32 (b:25)

The library contains (all on bookcases):
31 scroll copies
1 original scroll
6 original codices
there are no unwritten materials in any of the chests.

I made sure no items were TSK'd and no jobs present for reading, etc.

So, the total objects is correct at 38.
The writing material is counting all written scrolls (as well as any unwritten ones, when they are present).

Because of this, no new empty writing material will be brought to the chests for the scribes to continue work (I have copies set to two, and several items do not have any copies yet made, so there IS work to be done). They won't use any material stored outside of the library.
(0037138)
Dwarfu   
2017-11-30 02:10   
Seems to prevent people from reading also.

Current workaround is to ensure the desired writing materials is above the number of total objects by the amount of new works you want completed. But everything will halt again when that number is surpassed.