0001909: backspace key does not function in OS X

(0006956)
Kanddak (reporter)
2010-05-18 10:19
edited on: 2010-05-18 10:19

I had this same issue.
I was able to work around it as follows:
Go to esc -> Key Bindings -> Text entry
Scroll down to "String: Character 127". Press right and then down to select the binding "Logical: U+7F". Press your backspace key. Exit key bindings and enjoy your ability to delete text.

(0007811)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-06-06 11:04

Is this still the case in 31.05?

(0008010)
paladin_of_light (reporter)
2010-06-09 15:25
edited on: 2010-06-09 15:30

Appears to work for me in 31.05 but NOT 31.06.

To be more specific, ∆ is repeated indefinitely across the text entry area without a key-press, but the delete key functions.

(0008608)
archivis (reporter)
2010-06-17 13:32
edited on: 2010-06-17 13:45

Confirmed paladin of lights experience on 31.06 with the workaround getting spamming of characters. However once the spam ends it seems to eventually let me rename barrows.

(0008609)
Kanddak (reporter)
2010-06-17 13:59

Yeah, I tried to do that workaround in 0.31.06 and got spammed.
Then I copied over my keybinding file from 0.31.04 and things worked again. Not quite sure why.

(0010983)
korora (reporter)
2010-07-25 11:11

If you bind character 127 to some other key, the spam goes away.

(0012797)
Dame de la Licorne (reporter)
2010-09-18 15:49

I'm still getting this in 31.12. Whenever I try to use the backspace key to delete something, it instead inserts a little triangle/arrow. The work-around I use is to hold down the "fn" key whenever I want to delete something.

(0013375)
Dain (reporter)
2010-10-15 05:06

Notice that this does not occurs in *every* place where you put text. For example, when naming the fortress on embark menu, the "e: Select _" menu works perfectly on OSX, regarding backspace, without any remapping. On another hand, naming save file for embark profile, naming notes on world map, naming profession for dorfs, naming shortcuts on fortress mode, have that problem, as well as probably a lot of other places.

(0014421)
Cespinarve (reporter)
2010-12-05 18:31

Rebinding "String: Character 127" to ` makes deleting work for me.

(0015970)
bombcar (reporter)
2011-03-08 12:51

This happens to me on 0.31.21 (latest), on Mac OS X Snow Leopard and multiple keyboards.

I will try the workarounds above.

(0015982)
bombcar (reporter)
2011-03-08 17:11

I am not able to delete via Cespinarve's workaround. However, by combining it with Kanddak's it works for the Delete key.

(0016169)
discuscardscorys (reporter)
2011-03-12 14:53

Attempting to rebind "String: Character 127" to the ` key did not work for me, but rebinding it to F12 did.

(0016648)
bombcar (reporter)
2011-03-26 18:20

If I only use Kanddak's method, it doesn't fix it. I have to REMAP the 127 to something else, and then backspace works.

(0019546)
Cespinarve (reporter)
2012-02-14 12:59

Problem persists in 0.34.01. Like before, rebinding 127 to ` works for me.

(0023124)
NYDwarf (reporter)
2012-06-29 11:59

Using current version (0.34.11?) on OS X 10.7.4. When attempting to save an embark profile, hitting the DELETE key results in the character ⌂ being put into the thing. I can't delete anything. Control-H, Control-?, DELETE, FN-DELETE (laptop keyboard) all don't do anything.

(0025106)
Zapperier (reporter)
2014-07-08 11:53

Problem persists in 0.40.01. Combining Kanddack and Cespinarve's methods by rebinding character 127 from U+7F to ` continues to work. Additionally, deleting character 127's binding and adding the U+7F binding to Backspace appears to work, but resulted in a spam of ∆ if character 127 was not assigned a new binding previously.

(0025108)
Dwarfu (manager)
2014-07-08 11:56

Thanks for the follow-up in the new version, Zapperier.

(0027809)
Kanddak (reporter)
2014-07-28 14:21

Problem persists in 0.40.05.
Fixed by the following procedure: I deleted the U+7F binding from character 127. I then added the ` binding as per Cespinarve. I then said "wait, just for science, let's make sure it still doesn't work with no binding at all" and deleted the ` binding I had just added.
Backspace then worked with no ∆s. I was about to report that it was working again by just deleting the U+7F binding, but realized maybe it's the act of adding the ` binding that fixes the problem, not the ongoing presence of that binding.

(0028479)
Toady One (administrator)
2014-08-06 12:35
edited on: 2014-08-06 12:58

Adding the ` binding to 127 breaks the ` key and turns it into a triangle.

On the other hand, a comment in 0002189 suggests that deleting the binding alonge doesn't help? I'm going to go ahead and remove the binding without adding a `, but I'll hold off on marking this and 0002189 off until somebody says something.

edit: I'm just going to remove the string 127 key from the game, and we'll go from there.

(0028767)
Kanddak (reporter)
2014-08-10 18:52

Confirmed fixed for me in MacOS X 10.7.5.

(0029514)
lethosor (manager)
2014-08-22 17:32

I'll mark this as resolved, since I've seen several confirmations of correct behavior but no reports of this still occurring. If anyone can reproduce this in DF 0.40.07+, please let me or another manager know on the forums (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=63640.0 [^]).

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-05-16 18:14	archivis	New Issue
2010-05-18 10:19	Kanddak	Note Added: 0006956
2010-05-18 10:19	Kanddak	Note Edited: 0006956	View Revisions
2010-06-05 11:12	coldguy	Issue Monitored: coldguy
2010-06-06 11:04	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0007811
2010-06-06 11:04	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: Fixed in 31.05?
2010-06-06 11:05	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0002189
2010-06-07 00:01	gxam	Issue Monitored: gxam
2010-06-09 15:25	paladin_of_light	Note Added: 0008010
2010-06-09 15:30	paladin_of_light	Note Edited: 0008010	View Revisions
2010-06-10 05:32	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	parent of 0002189
2010-06-10 05:33	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0002252
2010-06-12 15:12	Gerk	Issue Monitored: Gerk
2010-06-17 13:32	archivis	Note Added: 0008608
2010-06-17 13:45	archivis	Note Edited: 0008608	View Revisions
2010-06-17 13:59	Kanddak	Note Added: 0008609
2010-06-21 11:41	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	related to 0002189
2010-06-21 11:41	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: SDL-only
2010-06-21 11:42	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	parent of 0002189
2010-06-21 12:42	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0001924
2010-06-22 18:17	brainfire	Issue Monitored: brainfire
2010-06-22 19:46	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0002441
2010-06-29 07:38	Footkerchief	Category	Technical => Technical -- General
2010-07-11 10:30	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0002622
2010-07-13 22:03	Footkerchief	Category	Technical -- General => Technical -- Input/Keybinding
2010-07-13 22:04	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0000447
2010-07-18 13:37	Footkerchief	Category	Technical -- Input/Keybinding => Technical -- Input/Keybinding/Macros
2010-07-19 14:37	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: Baughn
2010-07-25 11:11	korora	Note Added: 0010983
2010-07-25 16:52	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	related to 0000447
2010-07-28 07:01	Yaddy1	Issue Monitored: Yaddy1
2010-08-07 10:06	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0002975
2010-09-18 14:30	HebaruSan	Issue Monitored: HebaruSan
2010-09-18 15:49	Dame de la Licorne	Note Added: 0012797
2010-10-15 05:06	Dain	Note Added: 0013375
2010-12-05 18:31	Cespinarve	Note Added: 0014421
2010-12-11 09:03	Dwarfu	Tag Detached: Fixed in 31.05?
2011-03-06 09:28	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0004127
2011-03-08 12:51	bombcar	Note Added: 0015970
2011-03-08 17:11	bombcar	Note Added: 0015982
2011-03-08 17:13	bombcar	Issue Monitored: bombcar
2011-03-12 14:53	discuscardscorys	Note Added: 0016169
2011-03-26 18:20	bombcar	Note Added: 0016648
2011-08-27 08:41	Logical2u	Relationship added	has duplicate 0004858
2012-02-14 12:59	Cespinarve	Note Added: 0019546
2012-02-16 00:43	etherflan	Tag Attached: mac
2012-02-16 00:57	etherflan	Issue Monitored: etherflan
2012-02-22 08:22	etherflan	Tag Attached: 0.34.02
2012-02-28 10:03	etherflan	Tag Detached: 0.34.02
2012-02-28 10:03	etherflan	Tag Detached: mac
2012-06-29 11:59	NYDwarf	Note Added: 0023124
2014-07-08 11:53	Zapperier	Note Added: 0025106
2014-07-08 11:54	Zapperier	Tag Attached: 0.40.01
2014-07-08 11:56	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0025108
2014-07-08 11:56	Dwarfu	Assigned To	=> Dwarfu
2014-07-08 11:56	Dwarfu	Status	new => acknowledged
2014-07-27 19:13	Kanddak	Issue Monitored: Kanddak
2014-07-28 14:21	Kanddak	Note Added: 0027809
2014-07-28 14:21	Kanddak	Tag Attached: 0.40.05
2014-07-28 17:45	lethosor	Status	acknowledged => confirmed
2014-07-28 17:45	lethosor	Tag Detached: SDL-only
2014-08-06 12:31	Toady One	Relationship replaced	has duplicate 0004127
2014-08-06 12:35	Toady One	Note Added: 0028479
2014-08-06 12:58	Toady One	Note Edited: 0028479	View Revisions
2014-08-10 18:52	Kanddak	Note Added: 0028767
2014-08-10 20:06	lethosor	Relationship replaced	has duplicate 0002189
2014-08-22 17:32	lethosor	Note Added: 0029514
2014-08-22 17:32	lethosor	Status	confirmed => resolved
2014-08-22 17:32	lethosor	Fixed in Version	=> 0.40.07
2014-08-22 17:32	lethosor	Resolution	open => fixed
2014-08-22 17:32	lethosor	Assigned To	Dwarfu => Toady One

Notes
(0006956) Kanddak (reporter) 2010-05-18 10:19 edited on: 2010-05-18 10:19	I had this same issue. I was able to work around it as follows: Go to esc -> Key Bindings -> Text entry Scroll down to "String: Character 127". Press right and then down to select the binding "Logical: U+7F". Press your backspace key. Exit key bindings and enjoy your ability to delete text.

(0007811) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-06-06 11:04	Is this still the case in 31.05?

(0008010) paladin_of_light (reporter) 2010-06-09 15:25 edited on: 2010-06-09 15:30	Appears to work for me in 31.05 but NOT 31.06. To be more specific, ∆ is repeated indefinitely across the text entry area without a key-press, but the delete key functions.

(0008608) archivis (reporter) 2010-06-17 13:32 edited on: 2010-06-17 13:45	Confirmed paladin of lights experience on 31.06 with the workaround getting spamming of characters. However once the spam ends it seems to eventually let me rename barrows.

(0008609) Kanddak (reporter) 2010-06-17 13:59	Yeah, I tried to do that workaround in 0.31.06 and got spammed. Then I copied over my keybinding file from 0.31.04 and things worked again. Not quite sure why.

(0010983) korora (reporter) 2010-07-25 11:11	If you bind character 127 to some other key, the spam goes away.

(0012797) Dame de la Licorne (reporter) 2010-09-18 15:49	I'm still getting this in 31.12. Whenever I try to use the backspace key to delete something, it instead inserts a little triangle/arrow. The work-around I use is to hold down the "fn" key whenever I want to delete something.

(0013375) Dain (reporter) 2010-10-15 05:06	Notice that this does not occurs in every place where you put text. For example, when naming the fortress on embark menu, the "e: Select _" menu works perfectly on OSX, regarding backspace, without any remapping. On another hand, naming save file for embark profile, naming notes on world map, naming profession for dorfs, naming shortcuts on fortress mode, have that problem, as well as probably a lot of other places.

(0014421) Cespinarve (reporter) 2010-12-05 18:31	Rebinding "String: Character 127" to ` makes deleting work for me.

(0015970) bombcar (reporter) 2011-03-08 12:51	This happens to me on 0.31.21 (latest), on Mac OS X Snow Leopard and multiple keyboards. I will try the workarounds above.

(0015982) bombcar (reporter) 2011-03-08 17:11	I am not able to delete via Cespinarve's workaround. However, by combining it with Kanddak's it works for the Delete key.

(0016169) discuscardscorys (reporter) 2011-03-12 14:53	Attempting to rebind "String: Character 127" to the ` key did not work for me, but rebinding it to F12 did.

(0016648) bombcar (reporter) 2011-03-26 18:20	If I only use Kanddak's method, it doesn't fix it. I have to REMAP the 127 to something else, and then backspace works.

(0019546) Cespinarve (reporter) 2012-02-14 12:59	Problem persists in 0.34.01. Like before, rebinding 127 to ` works for me.

(0023124) NYDwarf (reporter) 2012-06-29 11:59	Using current version (0.34.11?) on OS X 10.7.4. When attempting to save an embark profile, hitting the DELETE key results in the character ⌂ being put into the thing. I can't delete anything. Control-H, Control-?, DELETE, FN-DELETE (laptop keyboard) all don't do anything.

(0025106) Zapperier (reporter) 2014-07-08 11:53	Problem persists in 0.40.01. Combining Kanddack and Cespinarve's methods by rebinding character 127 from U+7F to ` continues to work. Additionally, deleting character 127's binding and adding the U+7F binding to Backspace appears to work, but resulted in a spam of ∆ if character 127 was not assigned a new binding previously.

(0025108) Dwarfu (manager) 2014-07-08 11:56	Thanks for the follow-up in the new version, Zapperier.

(0027809) Kanddak (reporter) 2014-07-28 14:21	Problem persists in 0.40.05. Fixed by the following procedure: I deleted the U+7F binding from character 127. I then added the ` binding as per Cespinarve. I then said "wait, just for science, let's make sure it still doesn't work with no binding at all" and deleted the ` binding I had just added. Backspace then worked with no ∆s. I was about to report that it was working again by just deleting the U+7F binding, but realized maybe it's the act of adding the ` binding that fixes the problem, not the ongoing presence of that binding.

(0028479) Toady One (administrator) 2014-08-06 12:35 edited on: 2014-08-06 12:58	Adding the ` binding to 127 breaks the ` key and turns it into a triangle. On the other hand, a comment in 0002189 suggests that deleting the binding alonge doesn't help? I'm going to go ahead and remove the binding without adding a `, but I'll hold off on marking this and 0002189 off until somebody says something. edit: I'm just going to remove the string 127 key from the game, and we'll go from there.

(0028767) Kanddak (reporter) 2014-08-10 18:52	Confirmed fixed for me in MacOS X 10.7.5.

(0029514) lethosor (manager) 2014-08-22 17:32	I'll mark this as resolved, since I've seen several confirmations of correct behavior but no reports of this still occurring. If anyone can reproduce this in DF 0.40.07+, please let me or another manager know on the forums (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=63640.0 [^]).