0001986: Military Units strip from their uniforms when given orders to kill.

(0007056)
Jiri Petru (reporter)
2010-05-20 03:48

This happens (I think) because dwarves tend to continue wearing old equipment, even if they are assigned something else. Once you activate them, they realize they have a wrong uniform and begin stripping. Then, if they can't pick up the new equipment (usually because someone else is still using it), they proceed to go on without it.

The reclaim issue is a separate bug - nothing that was being used before abandonment will be usable after reclaim.

(0007077)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-05-20 09:55

I think this is largely the same as 0001451.

(0007097)
Jiri Petru (reporter)
2010-05-20 15:30

This is also probably a duplicate of 0000678, and I bet it's related to 0000892.

(0007103)
Chthon (reporter)
2010-05-20 17:18

Might have to do with the armsmaster noble assigning Dwarf A's equipment to Dwarf B, yet Dwarf A will not relinquish it until he's forced to find his own equipment when activated.

I haven't yet tried to use only specific outfits. This might correct this, however I have a large mess of iron battle axes and iron spears that are not available for my (now) one military dwarf to equip. They are not shown when I choose specific weapon.

(0007111)
Chthon (reporter)
2010-05-20 19:03

Upon viewing my stocks screen, I have the following weapons:
*iron battle axe*
+iron battle axe+
-iron battle axe-
(iron battle axe) (x2)
iron battle axe (x7)
(copper battle axe) (x2)
*iron spear* (x3)
+iron spear+ (x3)
-iron spear- (x2)
iron spear (x2)
(copper pick) (x4)
(bronze pick)
(fungiwood blowgun)
(spore tree blowgun)

However when I go into the military equipment screen and choose specific weapon I see only this:
(copper battle axe)

I think this may have something to do with the issue since so long as my lone axe dwarf is assigned that copper battle axe he will use it, but if I set up generic weapons or assign it to someone else noone uses any weapons. Could this glitch be a result of another glitch preventing valid weapons from appearing in the equipment menu?

(0007112)
Chthon (reporter)
2010-05-20 19:10
edited on: 2010-05-20 19:58

Just gave him some move orders and some kill orders. He sucessfully hunted and killed a deer manually with my orders. He even used my axe. However, even though he is set to cut wood, he ignores any and all jobs before and after to instead do individual combat training. This I believe is related to a separate bug in the military system.

Edit: Just bought a pair of (bronze greaves) and a (-copper shield-) from a caravan. Neither of these show up on the equipment menu either.

I'm going to pin a save onto this so maybe someone else with experience with military bugs can test this out and see if it's related to old bugs or new ones entirely.

Final: Save is located at http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2388 [^]
I have given much information there as well. I will add the additional issues with equipment not showing up in the ticket notes.

(0021627)
Footkerchief (manager)
2012-03-20 19:48

Toady may need an up-to-date save (0.34.02+) to fix this problem. It would be helpful for someone to upload a save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] and post the link here.

(0022150)
thvaz (reporter)
2012-04-08 08:26

Don't happen after 34.01. Kill orders are bugged when the target flee the map, but never once the soldiers dropped their equipment.

(0024132)
Footkerchief (manager)
2013-09-23 09:29

Please reopen this report or PM me on the forums if you have a save that reproduces this problem in 0.34.11+.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-05-20 03:20	Chthon	New Issue
2010-05-20 03:48	Jiri Petru	Note Added: 0007056
2010-05-20 09:55	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0007077
2010-05-20 09:55	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: Footkerchief
2010-05-20 15:30	Jiri Petru	Note Added: 0007097
2010-05-20 17:18	Chthon	Note Added: 0007103
2010-05-20 19:03	Chthon	Note Added: 0007111
2010-05-20 19:10	Chthon	Note Added: 0007112
2010-05-20 19:38	Chthon	Note Added: 0007113
2010-05-20 19:40	Chthon	Note Deleted: 0007113
2010-05-20 19:41	Chthon	Note Edited: 0007112	View Revisions
2010-05-20 19:58	Chthon	Note Edited: 0007112	View Revisions
2010-05-20 19:58	Chthon	Tag Attached: Equipment
2010-12-30 05:48	Quietust	Note Added: 0014756
2010-12-30 13:57	Footkerchief	Relationship added	child of 0000535
2011-01-05 15:06	Quietust	Note Edited: 0014756	View Revisions
2011-01-05 15:07	Quietust	Note Deleted: 0014756
2012-03-20 19:48	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0021627
2012-03-26 10:20	thvaz	Issue Monitored: thvaz
2012-04-08 08:26	thvaz	Note Added: 0022150
2012-04-08 08:26	thvaz	Tag Attached: CLOSE THIS
2012-04-08 10:20	Footkerchief	Tag Detached: CLOSE THIS
2012-04-08 10:20	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: AWAITING UPDATE
2013-09-23 09:29	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0024132
2013-09-23 09:29	Footkerchief	Status	new => resolved
2013-09-23 09:29	Footkerchief	Resolution	open => unable to reproduce
2013-09-23 09:29	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2014-04-21 03:41	thvaz	Issue End Monitor: thvaz
2014-08-04 15:01	Footkerchief	Tag Detached: AWAITING UPDATE

Notes
(0007056) Jiri Petru (reporter) 2010-05-20 03:48	This happens (I think) because dwarves tend to continue wearing old equipment, even if they are assigned something else. Once you activate them, they realize they have a wrong uniform and begin stripping. Then, if they can't pick up the new equipment (usually because someone else is still using it), they proceed to go on without it. The reclaim issue is a separate bug - nothing that was being used before abandonment will be usable after reclaim.

(0007077) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-05-20 09:55	I think this is largely the same as 0001451.

(0007097) Jiri Petru (reporter) 2010-05-20 15:30	This is also probably a duplicate of 0000678, and I bet it's related to 0000892.

(0007103) Chthon (reporter) 2010-05-20 17:18	Might have to do with the armsmaster noble assigning Dwarf A's equipment to Dwarf B, yet Dwarf A will not relinquish it until he's forced to find his own equipment when activated. I haven't yet tried to use only specific outfits. This might correct this, however I have a large mess of iron battle axes and iron spears that are not available for my (now) one military dwarf to equip. They are not shown when I choose specific weapon.

(0007111) Chthon (reporter) 2010-05-20 19:03	Upon viewing my stocks screen, I have the following weapons: iron battle axe +iron battle axe+ -iron battle axe- (iron battle axe) (x2) iron battle axe (x7) (copper battle axe) (x2) iron spear (x3) +iron spear+ (x3) -iron spear- (x2) iron spear (x2) (copper pick) (x4) (bronze pick) (fungiwood blowgun) (spore tree blowgun) However when I go into the military equipment screen and choose specific weapon I see only this: (copper battle axe) I think this may have something to do with the issue since so long as my lone axe dwarf is assigned that copper battle axe he will use it, but if I set up generic weapons or assign it to someone else noone uses any weapons. Could this glitch be a result of another glitch preventing valid weapons from appearing in the equipment menu?

(0007112) Chthon (reporter) 2010-05-20 19:10 edited on: 2010-05-20 19:58	Just gave him some move orders and some kill orders. He sucessfully hunted and killed a deer manually with my orders. He even used my axe. However, even though he is set to cut wood, he ignores any and all jobs before and after to instead do individual combat training. This I believe is related to a separate bug in the military system. Edit: Just bought a pair of (bronze greaves) and a (-copper shield-) from a caravan. Neither of these show up on the equipment menu either. I'm going to pin a save onto this so maybe someone else with experience with military bugs can test this out and see if it's related to old bugs or new ones entirely. Final: Save is located at http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2388 [^] I have given much information there as well. I will add the additional issues with equipment not showing up in the ticket notes.

(0021627) Footkerchief (manager) 2012-03-20 19:48	Toady may need an up-to-date save (0.34.02+) to fix this problem. It would be helpful for someone to upload a save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] and post the link here.

(0022150) thvaz (reporter) 2012-04-08 08:26	Don't happen after 34.01. Kill orders are bugged when the target flee the map, but never once the soldiers dropped their equipment.

(0024132) Footkerchief (manager) 2013-09-23 09:29	Please reopen this report or PM me on the forums if you have a save that reproduces this problem in 0.34.11+.