0002481: Dwarves will claim new clothes when theirs is worn (xClothesx) but not wear it

(0009159)
smjjames (reporter)
2010-06-26 23:55

Isn't this an old issue dating back to before 40D?

(0009160)
Cryten (reporter)
2010-06-27 00:20

I think the old issue was they used to leave thier old clothes all across the fortress. This was untill Toady locked off the dwarves changing clothes to prevent the clutter.

(0009184)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-06-27 19:45

See 0001396. Are they being claimed by children?

(0009398)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-06-30 13:10

Reminder sent to: clc02

Are the clothes being claimed by children?

(0009760)
Creidieki (reporter)
2010-07-07 18:37

I've experienced this bug with a lot of nonchildren nonmilitary dwarfs. It's visible in
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2638 [^] .

You'll want to check out the medical dwarfs in the hospital (same z-level as the starting cursor, southwest, in the silty clay). They have bedrooms (the row along the south wall) with cabinets full of new clothes, but they aren't wearing any of them. (The Chief Medical Dwarf in particular is definitely showing this bug).

(They're *currently* assigned to a burrows that only includes the hospital, but they've spent a lot of time burrowless and jobless. They put new clothes into cabinets in their bedrooms, rather than wearing the new clothes and storing the worn-out clothes.)

(0009802)
clc02 (reporter)
2010-07-08 13:49

no they were not claimes by children, sorry for delay

(0009805)
ChickenLips (reporter)
2010-07-08 19:06

Isn't this ubiquitous? I have played several fortresses since I first started playing in .03, and I have never, ever seen a dwarf actually wear any new clothing. They claim them, and, aside from children, put them away (they *particularly* seem to love bloody goblin clothes, sigh), but never wear them. Ten years in, the first seven are starting to run around naked right now. At least the female miners are in shape, though I imagine nude sightings don't yet produce happy thoughts in the males. Hmm... something for the suggestions box.

But more seriously, no, I have *never* seen dwarves actually use any clothes other than the ones they start with (I never assign specific equipment or clothes for military dwarves). Does anyone? If it matters, I play with rent and economy off.

(0011707)
murficwpn (reporter)
2010-08-10 18:47
edited on: 2010-08-10 19:20

All of my dwarves also only store their owned items and never wear them, except children who will claim them but not store them. I have a lot of cabinets full of claimed clothes and a lot of naked dwarves.

I also play with zero rent on and economy off.

(0012590)
Quil (reporter)
2010-09-11 19:10

I am also having an issue with people never actually putting on clothes; they store them instead. Everyone is currently naked aside from my soldiers, who are wearing armour.

This apparently isn't an issue with disabling rent and economy, since I have those enabled, although thus far I've not had the economy activate.

(0012600)
kwieland (reporter)
2010-09-12 14:13

I would agree that this is ubiquitous. All my dwarfs run around naked now.

Perhaps the only reason this isn't a more serious bug is that it takes years to develop, and at that point, a more serious bug has probably cropped up! (military, health care, etc)

(0012868)
Telarin (reporter)
2010-09-21 12:09

Just lost 3 dwarves to this bug. Stepped in some poisonous blood with no shoes and bled out before they could even make it to the hospital. So, apparently just confirming this bug is still present in .13

(0012900)
behbehr (reporter)
2010-09-22 14:37

can confirm this too as i got loads of dwarves currently running naked in my fort, and getting dizzy walking in nearly frozen water ... :-)

(0013499)
clay1039 (reporter)
2010-10-24 17:04

just thought I would add that I am seeing this bug also in .16
My starting 7 are not naked yet... but they are close... and the idea of my leader/nobles holding meeting with diplomats naked... just to say looking forward to this one getting fixed

(0015168)
Thundercraft (reporter)
2011-02-17 03:46

So, many versions ago Toady intentionally turned off the ability of dwarves to change clothes as a temporary workaround to the problem of dwarves leaving their old clothes all over a fortress as clutter.

But would this still be an issue if this ability was re-enabled in 31.18/19? From what I understand, if the clothes of dead dwarves are not inherited by family (no relatives), they get automatically hauled to stockpiles. Why wouldn't this work for discarded clothes of living dwarves if the ownership gets correctly removed?

(0015184)
Kogut (reporter)
2011-02-17 07:06

Still problem in .18

(0015521)
Kogut (reporter)
2011-02-26 05:01

related to 0003942?

(0017165)
kwieland (reporter)
2011-04-07 10:37

still exists in .25

(0017645)
Eskarion (reporter)
2011-05-06 10:43
edited on: 2011-05-06 10:47

As a temporary workaround I have all my civilians drafted to inactive squads and assigned them a clothing-uniform, wich gives them some protection against toxic spatters. Although 0001451 interferes with that, wich means my woodcuters and miners are still naked.

(0018623)
Lysabild (reporter)
2011-08-24 18:06
edited on: 2011-08-24 18:06

This bug is a year old and really bothers me and my enjoyment of the game, looking forward to trying above workaround.

Have Toady not commented this at all?

(0018739)
king doom (reporter)
2011-09-18 10:06

Toady is too busy modelling realistic male pattern baldness on werewolves to fix bugs that have been in the game for several years now.

(0018779)
partyalias (reporter)
2011-10-04 03:15
edited on: 2011-10-04 03:17

Sad but true. Try editing raws to make clothes to be non-wearable (so it will newer become x-cloth-x).

(0020667)
Musaab (reporter)
2012-02-25 11:19

This bug continues to cause problems in 34.02...

(0020668)
krenshala (reporter)
2012-02-25 11:43

I have not tested, but someone posted in the forums that if you strip the dwarves of their starting clothing, and toss those items into teh magma, they started using manufactured, purchased and otherwise acquired clothing properly. I have not tested this myself, as none of my fortresses have lasted long enough.

(0020672)
Footkerchief (manager)
2012-02-25 12:36

It would be helpful to get 0.34.02 saves demonstrating this problem. http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0021400)
Andreuswolf (reporter)
2012-03-12 01:49

Why has this bug not even been acknowledged yet?

(0021404)
Footkerchief (manager)
2012-03-12 07:25

Reminder sent to: Andreuswolf

If you want this bug fixed, upload a save and post the link here. http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-06-26 22:53	clc02	New Issue
2010-06-26 23:55	smjjames	Note Added: 0009159
2010-06-27 00:20	Cryten	Note Added: 0009160
2010-06-27 19:45	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0009184
2010-06-27 19:45	Footkerchief	Relationship added	duplicate of 0001396
2010-06-27 19:45	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: AWAITING UPDATE
2010-06-30 13:10	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0009398
2010-07-07 18:37	Creidieki	Note Added: 0009760
2010-07-08 13:49	clc02	Note Added: 0009802
2010-07-08 17:44	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	related to 0001396
2010-07-08 17:44	Footkerchief	Tag Detached: AWAITING UPDATE
2010-07-08 19:06	ChickenLips	Note Added: 0009805
2010-08-10 18:47	murficwpn	Note Added: 0011707
2010-08-10 19:20	murficwpn	Note Edited: 0011707	View Revisions
2010-08-10 19:20	murficwpn	Note Edited: 0011707	View Revisions
2010-08-22 02:10	Cakeonslaught	Issue Monitored: Cakeonslaught
2010-08-27 09:19	Beeskee	Issue Monitored: Beeskee
2010-09-11 19:10	Quil	Note Added: 0012590
2010-09-12 14:13	kwieland	Note Added: 0012600
2010-09-16 13:20	Threlicus	Issue Monitored: Threlicus
2010-09-21 12:09	Telarin	Note Added: 0012868
2010-09-21 12:09	Telarin	Issue Monitored: Telarin
2010-09-22 14:37	behbehr	Note Added: 0012900
2010-09-22 14:37	behbehr	Issue Monitored: behbehr
2010-09-23 06:52	alexleon	Issue Monitored: alexleon
2010-09-26 08:09	Kon	Issue Monitored: Kon
2010-10-24 17:02	clay1039	Issue Monitored: clay1039
2010-10-24 17:04	clay1039	Note Added: 0013499
2011-02-17 03:46	Thundercraft	Note Added: 0015168
2011-02-17 07:06	Kogut	Note Added: 0015184
2011-02-17 07:06	Kogut	Issue Monitored: Kogut
2011-02-24 14:39	Glacial	Issue Monitored: Glacial
2011-02-26 05:01	Kogut	Note Added: 0015521
2011-03-31 09:32	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0003942
2011-04-07 10:37	kwieland	Note Added: 0017165
2011-05-06 10:43	Eskarion	Note Added: 0017645
2011-05-06 10:47	Eskarion	Note Edited: 0017645	View Revisions
2011-05-08 07:59	Eskarion	Issue Monitored: Eskarion
2011-08-24 18:06	Lysabild	Note Added: 0018623
2011-08-24 18:06	Lysabild	Note Edited: 0018623	View Revisions
2011-08-26 01:56	zwei	Issue Monitored: zwei
2011-09-16 14:17	Morrolan	Issue Monitored: Morrolan
2011-09-18 10:06	king doom	Note Added: 0018739
2011-10-04 03:15	partyalias	Note Added: 0018779
2011-10-04 03:17	partyalias	Note Edited: 0018779	View Revisions
2012-02-25 11:19	Musaab	Note Added: 0020667
2012-02-25 11:43	krenshala	Note Added: 0020668
2012-02-25 12:36	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0020672
2012-02-26 11:46	Buglist	Issue Monitored: Buglist
2012-02-29 02:42	kento	Issue Monitored: kento
2012-02-29 02:50	Musaab	Issue Monitored: Musaab
2012-03-12 01:49	Andreuswolf	Note Added: 0021400
2012-03-12 07:25	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: Andreuswolf
2012-03-12 07:25	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0021404
2012-03-15 01:22	Toady One	Status	new => resolved
2012-03-15 01:22	Toady One	Fixed in Version	=> Next Version
2012-03-15 01:22	Toady One	Resolution	open => fixed
2012-03-15 01:22	Toady One	Assigned To	=> Toady One
2012-03-15 05:24	Telarin	Issue End Monitor: Telarin
2012-03-15 15:35	Buglist	Issue End Monitor: Buglist
2012-03-16 00:08	Musaab	Issue End Monitor: Musaab
2012-03-17 23:49	Kogut	Issue End Monitor: Kogut
2012-03-19 08:51	Eskarion	Issue End Monitor: Eskarion
2012-03-30 02:11	zwei	Issue End Monitor: zwei
2012-05-28 17:53	Morrolan	Issue End Monitor: Morrolan
2012-06-05 08:55	Threlicus	Issue End Monitor: Threlicus
2014-07-28 07:48	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0007680
2014-07-28 07:49	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0006592
2014-07-28 07:49	Footkerchief	Relationship deleted	related to 0006592
2014-08-13 05:10	Kon	Issue End Monitor: Kon

Notes
(0009159) smjjames (reporter) 2010-06-26 23:55	Isn't this an old issue dating back to before 40D?

(0009160) Cryten (reporter) 2010-06-27 00:20	I think the old issue was they used to leave thier old clothes all across the fortress. This was untill Toady locked off the dwarves changing clothes to prevent the clutter.

(0009184) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-06-27 19:45	See 0001396. Are they being claimed by children?

(0009398) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-06-30 13:10	Reminder sent to: clc02 Are the clothes being claimed by children?

(0009760) Creidieki (reporter) 2010-07-07 18:37	I've experienced this bug with a lot of nonchildren nonmilitary dwarfs. It's visible in http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2638 [^] . You'll want to check out the medical dwarfs in the hospital (same z-level as the starting cursor, southwest, in the silty clay). They have bedrooms (the row along the south wall) with cabinets full of new clothes, but they aren't wearing any of them. (The Chief Medical Dwarf in particular is definitely showing this bug). (They're currently assigned to a burrows that only includes the hospital, but they've spent a lot of time burrowless and jobless. They put new clothes into cabinets in their bedrooms, rather than wearing the new clothes and storing the worn-out clothes.)

(0009802) clc02 (reporter) 2010-07-08 13:49	no they were not claimes by children, sorry for delay

(0009805) ChickenLips (reporter) 2010-07-08 19:06	Isn't this ubiquitous? I have played several fortresses since I first started playing in .03, and I have never, ever seen a dwarf actually wear any new clothing. They claim them, and, aside from children, put them away (they particularly seem to love bloody goblin clothes, sigh), but never wear them. Ten years in, the first seven are starting to run around naked right now. At least the female miners are in shape, though I imagine nude sightings don't yet produce happy thoughts in the males. Hmm... something for the suggestions box. But more seriously, no, I have never seen dwarves actually use any clothes other than the ones they start with (I never assign specific equipment or clothes for military dwarves). Does anyone? If it matters, I play with rent and economy off.

(0011707) murficwpn (reporter) 2010-08-10 18:47 edited on: 2010-08-10 19:20	All of my dwarves also only store their owned items and never wear them, except children who will claim them but not store them. I have a lot of cabinets full of claimed clothes and a lot of naked dwarves. I also play with zero rent on and economy off.

(0012590) Quil (reporter) 2010-09-11 19:10	I am also having an issue with people never actually putting on clothes; they store them instead. Everyone is currently naked aside from my soldiers, who are wearing armour. This apparently isn't an issue with disabling rent and economy, since I have those enabled, although thus far I've not had the economy activate.

(0012600) kwieland (reporter) 2010-09-12 14:13	I would agree that this is ubiquitous. All my dwarfs run around naked now. Perhaps the only reason this isn't a more serious bug is that it takes years to develop, and at that point, a more serious bug has probably cropped up! (military, health care, etc)

(0012868) Telarin (reporter) 2010-09-21 12:09	Just lost 3 dwarves to this bug. Stepped in some poisonous blood with no shoes and bled out before they could even make it to the hospital. So, apparently just confirming this bug is still present in .13

(0012900) behbehr (reporter) 2010-09-22 14:37	can confirm this too as i got loads of dwarves currently running naked in my fort, and getting dizzy walking in nearly frozen water ... :-)

(0013499) clay1039 (reporter) 2010-10-24 17:04	just thought I would add that I am seeing this bug also in .16 My starting 7 are not naked yet... but they are close... and the idea of my leader/nobles holding meeting with diplomats naked... just to say looking forward to this one getting fixed

(0015168) Thundercraft (reporter) 2011-02-17 03:46	So, many versions ago Toady intentionally turned off the ability of dwarves to change clothes as a temporary workaround to the problem of dwarves leaving their old clothes all over a fortress as clutter. But would this still be an issue if this ability was re-enabled in 31.18/19? From what I understand, if the clothes of dead dwarves are not inherited by family (no relatives), they get automatically hauled to stockpiles. Why wouldn't this work for discarded clothes of living dwarves if the ownership gets correctly removed?

(0015184) Kogut (reporter) 2011-02-17 07:06	Still problem in .18

(0015521) Kogut (reporter) 2011-02-26 05:01	related to 0003942?

(0017165) kwieland (reporter) 2011-04-07 10:37	still exists in .25

(0017645) Eskarion (reporter) 2011-05-06 10:43 edited on: 2011-05-06 10:47	As a temporary workaround I have all my civilians drafted to inactive squads and assigned them a clothing-uniform, wich gives them some protection against toxic spatters. Although 0001451 interferes with that, wich means my woodcuters and miners are still naked.

(0018623) Lysabild (reporter) 2011-08-24 18:06 edited on: 2011-08-24 18:06	This bug is a year old and really bothers me and my enjoyment of the game, looking forward to trying above workaround. Have Toady not commented this at all?

(0018739) king doom (reporter) 2011-09-18 10:06	Toady is too busy modelling realistic male pattern baldness on werewolves to fix bugs that have been in the game for several years now.

(0018779) partyalias (reporter) 2011-10-04 03:15 edited on: 2011-10-04 03:17	Sad but true. Try editing raws to make clothes to be non-wearable (so it will newer become x-cloth-x).

(0020667) Musaab (reporter) 2012-02-25 11:19	This bug continues to cause problems in 34.02...

(0020668) krenshala (reporter) 2012-02-25 11:43	I have not tested, but someone posted in the forums that if you strip the dwarves of their starting clothing, and toss those items into teh magma, they started using manufactured, purchased and otherwise acquired clothing properly. I have not tested this myself, as none of my fortresses have lasted long enough.

(0020672) Footkerchief (manager) 2012-02-25 12:36	It would be helpful to get 0.34.02 saves demonstrating this problem. http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0021400) Andreuswolf (reporter) 2012-03-12 01:49	Why has this bug not even been acknowledged yet?

(0021404) Footkerchief (manager) 2012-03-12 07:25	Reminder sent to: Andreuswolf If you want this bug fixed, upload a save and post the link here. http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]