0002892: Different liaison every year - Dwarf Fortress Bug Tracker

(0011344)
cephalo (reporter)
2010-07-31 19:55

My fort is about 18 years old now. I wonder if all my liaisons were historical figures who were too old, and thus keep dying. Maybe I should make a backup, abandon, and then check the legends.

(0011351)
Heinzy (reporter)
2010-08-01 03:37

I've experienced the same but only with the elves. I might also add that they always greet me with the dwarven greeting (I'm your liason from the Mountainhome).

(0012045)
Quietust (reporter)
2010-08-23 08:28

In Legends mode, it looks like the new liaison is getting appointed when the caravan arrives and subsequently removed from the position upon leaving the map.

(0012235)
Quietust (reporter)
2010-08-29 15:04
edited on: 2010-09-21 21:29

Further experience in my current fortress seems to indicate that this is not limited to the Dwarven liaison. It also applies to Human law-givers (they'll visit once after you get your Baron, go through the usual "such a nice place you've carved out", then leave, never to be seen again), as well as invaders (a Goblin civilization sent its General after me, and after he fled he vanished from the civ list and prevented all future goblin sieges from riding giant olms since he was presumably the one who tamed them).

(0013226)
vadia (reporter)
2010-10-06 14:48

I got an engraved image of the replacement -- is this actually a bug or bizzare feature?

(0013228)
smjjames (reporter)
2010-10-06 15:08

This might be a bizarre feature that is caused by an unintended bug. Its one of those things that are both a feature and a bug.

(0013233)
Quietust (reporter)
2010-10-06 21:59
edited on: 2010-10-06 22:00

In a newly generated 0.31.14 fortress with a few raw tweaks (namely, adding a special Diplomat position to both the Human and Elven civilizations, mostly copy/pasted from the Dwarven diplomat position), appointment of a Baron has triggered the arrival of both elven and human diplomats (interestingly, the Humans did not send their Law-giver) in the same manner as back in 40d (Elven diplomat unannounced at the very beginning of Spring with "first contact" text, then the Human diplomat several days after the caravan arrived).

Curiously, both diplomats failed to show up in the Civ list until they appeared on the map, and (as per this bug) they both disappeared once they left. Only time will tell whether or not these diplomats get replaced next year.

(0013250)
Quietust (reporter)
2010-10-07 21:53
edited on: 2010-10-07 21:59

It looks like positions responsible for diplomacy and nothing else do properly get replaced when they're made to visit - a replacement Elven diplomat arrived the following year, 1 week after the arrival of the caravan, and proposed a tree cutting quota, complete with the proper Elven diplomat greeting and farewell text. Presumably, the additional responsibilities assigned to the Human's Law-giver prevented a new one from being automatically appointed.

(0013400)
Quietust (reporter)
2010-10-17 20:27
edited on: 2010-10-17 20:46

Part of this appears to have changed in version 0.31.16 - Law-givers are being replaced now. I loaded up one of my old 0.31.12 fortresses (where the Human civilization's Law-giver had visited once over a decade ago and then vanished forever), and a new Law-giver was appointed and arrived the very next summer.

(0024769)
lethosor (manager)
2014-05-24 20:13
edited on: 2014-05-24 20:14

According to http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/#2014-05-24 [^] , this is fixed in the next version.

(0025699)
thvaz (reporter)
2014-07-11 00:17

This bug is a duplicate of http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=2931, [^] that was marked as fixed in 0.40.01.

(0025739)
Footkerchief (manager)
2014-07-11 06:56

thvaz: 0002931 seems to be about additional, rather than replacement, liaisons. They might have the same root cause, but the symptoms are different enough to warrant separate reports. If this one's fixed too though, let us know.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-07-29 17:45	cephalo	New Issue
2010-07-31 19:55	cephalo	Note Added: 0011344
2010-08-01 03:37	Heinzy	Note Added: 0011351
2010-08-01 10:24	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0001002
2010-08-01 10:24	Footkerchief	Relationship deleted	related to 0001002
2010-08-01 10:24	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0001102
2010-08-02 13:00	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0002931
2010-08-15 16:37	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0003035
2010-08-22 18:42	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0003089
2010-08-23 08:28	Quietust	Note Added: 0012045
2010-08-29 15:04	Quietust	Note Added: 0012235
2010-08-29 15:06	Quietust	Note Edited: 0012235	View Revisions
2010-09-21 21:29	Quietust	Note Edited: 0012235	View Revisions
2010-10-06 14:48	vadia	Note Added: 0013226
2010-10-06 15:08	smjjames	Note Added: 0013228
2010-10-06 21:59	Quietust	Note Added: 0013233
2010-10-06 22:00	Quietust	Note Edited: 0013233	View Revisions
2010-10-07 21:53	Quietust	Note Added: 0013250
2010-10-07 21:59	Quietust	Note Edited: 0013250	View Revisions
2010-10-17 20:27	Quietust	Note Added: 0013400
2010-10-17 20:46	Quietust	Note Edited: 0013400	View Revisions
2014-05-24 20:13	lethosor	Note Added: 0024769
2014-05-24 20:14	lethosor	Note Edited: 0024769	View Revisions
2014-05-24 20:14	lethosor	Note Edited: 0024769	View Revisions
2014-05-24 20:16	lethosor	Issue Monitored: lethosor
2014-05-24 22:50	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: Fixed in 0.34.12?
2014-05-30 12:38	Dwarfu	Assigned To	=> Dwarfu
2014-05-30 12:38	Dwarfu	Status	new => acknowledged
2014-07-07 22:23	Footkerchief	Tag Renamed	Fixed in 0.34.12? => Fixed in 0.40.01?
2014-07-11 00:17	thvaz	Note Added: 0025699
2014-07-11 00:46	thvaz	Tag Attached: duplicate of a fixed bug
2014-07-11 06:56	Dwarfu	Tag Detached: Fixed in 0.40.01?
2014-07-11 06:56	Dwarfu	Tag Detached: duplicate of a fixed bug
2014-07-11 06:56	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0025739
2014-07-11 06:56	Dwarfu	Status	acknowledged => resolved
2014-07-11 06:56	Dwarfu	Fixed in Version	=> 0.40.01
2014-07-11 06:56	Dwarfu	Resolution	open => fixed
2014-07-11 06:56	Dwarfu	Assigned To	Dwarfu => Toady One
2014-07-11 06:58	Dwarfu	Relationship replaced	has duplicate 0002931

Notes
(0011344) cephalo (reporter) 2010-07-31 19:55	My fort is about 18 years old now. I wonder if all my liaisons were historical figures who were too old, and thus keep dying. Maybe I should make a backup, abandon, and then check the legends.

(0011351) Heinzy (reporter) 2010-08-01 03:37	I've experienced the same but only with the elves. I might also add that they always greet me with the dwarven greeting (I'm your liason from the Mountainhome).

(0012045) Quietust (reporter) 2010-08-23 08:28	In Legends mode, it looks like the new liaison is getting appointed when the caravan arrives and subsequently removed from the position upon leaving the map.

(0012235) Quietust (reporter) 2010-08-29 15:04 edited on: 2010-09-21 21:29	Further experience in my current fortress seems to indicate that this is not limited to the Dwarven liaison. It also applies to Human law-givers (they'll visit once after you get your Baron, go through the usual "such a nice place you've carved out", then leave, never to be seen again), as well as invaders (a Goblin civilization sent its General after me, and after he fled he vanished from the civ list and prevented all future goblin sieges from riding giant olms since he was presumably the one who tamed them).

(0013226) vadia (reporter) 2010-10-06 14:48	I got an engraved image of the replacement -- is this actually a bug or bizzare feature?

(0013228) smjjames (reporter) 2010-10-06 15:08	This might be a bizarre feature that is caused by an unintended bug. Its one of those things that are both a feature and a bug.

(0013233) Quietust (reporter) 2010-10-06 21:59 edited on: 2010-10-06 22:00	In a newly generated 0.31.14 fortress with a few raw tweaks (namely, adding a special Diplomat position to both the Human and Elven civilizations, mostly copy/pasted from the Dwarven diplomat position), appointment of a Baron has triggered the arrival of both elven and human diplomats (interestingly, the Humans did not send their Law-giver) in the same manner as back in 40d (Elven diplomat unannounced at the very beginning of Spring with "first contact" text, then the Human diplomat several days after the caravan arrived). Curiously, both diplomats failed to show up in the Civ list until they appeared on the map, and (as per this bug) they both disappeared once they left. Only time will tell whether or not these diplomats get replaced next year.

(0013250) Quietust (reporter) 2010-10-07 21:53 edited on: 2010-10-07 21:59	It looks like positions responsible for diplomacy and nothing else do properly get replaced when they're made to visit - a replacement Elven diplomat arrived the following year, 1 week after the arrival of the caravan, and proposed a tree cutting quota, complete with the proper Elven diplomat greeting and farewell text. Presumably, the additional responsibilities assigned to the Human's Law-giver prevented a new one from being automatically appointed.

(0013400) Quietust (reporter) 2010-10-17 20:27 edited on: 2010-10-17 20:46	Part of this appears to have changed in version 0.31.16 - Law-givers are being replaced now. I loaded up one of my old 0.31.12 fortresses (where the Human civilization's Law-giver had visited once over a decade ago and then vanished forever), and a new Law-giver was appointed and arrived the very next summer.

(0024769) lethosor (manager) 2014-05-24 20:13 edited on: 2014-05-24 20:14	According to http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/#2014-05-24 [^] , this is fixed in the next version.

(0025699) thvaz (reporter) 2014-07-11 00:17	This bug is a duplicate of http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=2931, [^] that was marked as fixed in 0.40.01.

(0025739) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-07-11 06:56	thvaz: 0002931 seems to be about additional, rather than replacement, liaisons. They might have the same root cause, but the symptoms are different enough to warrant separate reports. If this one's fixed too though, let us know.