0004179: Castles are always empty or populated with wild life (animals)

(0016020)
Quietust (reporter)
2011-03-09 14:49

Check Legends mode for historical information on those sites - it's possible the inhabitants starved to death centuries ago.

(0016021)
AbuDhabi (reporter)
2011-03-09 15:26

There are some castles, few and far between, which have tenants. It's difficult to find them, but they're out there.

(0016035)
thvaz (reporter)
2011-03-09 22:24

Anyway, this issue should be adressed. Adventure mode is seriously crippled without soldiers to recruit.

(0016044)
AO (reporter)
2011-03-10 07:27

Freshly downloaded 0.31.21 SDL for windows, no such problem.

(0016049)
thvaz (reporter)
2011-03-10 08:47

Maybe it´s an ocasional problem then. I will verify what happened in Legend mode when I get home. It´s not fixed though - I had the problem in worlds generated at 31.21

(0016050)
Granite26 (reporter)
2011-03-10 09:27

Maybe a fix would be indicating long abandonned forts? Changing the color to darker grey?

(0016054)
thvaz (reporter)
2011-03-10 10:41
edited on: 2011-03-13 12:48

I look at the legends and it looks like every castle was stormed by night creatures and megabeasts. The world was generated with Very High levels of monsters and savagery, so probably this is the problem.

edit: even in a medium world with medium ammount of monsters and savagery all the castles there is no one. In legend most of the records end around year 400 for all of them. These problems always occur in Very Long History worlds.

(0016638)
Lac (reporter)
2011-03-26 12:04

Quote from Toady in response to "are castles still often filled with animals?"
(http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=80433.msg2110908#msg2110908 [^])
"Yeah, whatever's happening there is still going on. It comes from breaking out of the caravan stuff in the middle. It should be handled with the actual Release 1. I didn't want to handle it earlier since I'd just need to pull the bandaid right off again."

(0016684)
thvaz (reporter)
2011-03-27 12:26

Good to know it will be fixed soon. It really breaks Adventure mode.

(0019311)
Dwarfu (manager)
2012-01-07 20:37

Marking for review after "Release 1" (currently marked as 0.31.26).

(0019551)
thvaz (reporter)
2012-02-14 13:38

There are still empty fortresses without signs of decaying, even besides inhabitated cities, but I guess it is more of incomplete feature than a bug.

(0021002)
thvaz (reporter)
2012-03-02 14:25

And it happens the same way as before - lots of wild animals at the front gate of the castle, some inside, no sign of moss or decaying doors indicating abandonment, not even in legends mode.
It is worse as longer is the world generation. Right now is pointless to generate more than 500 years TBH

(0021243)
Dwarfu (manager)
2012-03-07 18:03

Thanks for the follow-ups, thvaz, I'm removing the Fixed in 0.34.01? tag. We can revisit it when more changes occur in this area.

(0021368)
NW_Kohaku (reporter)
2012-03-11 11:11

This seems to be getting better after 0.34.05 - the soldiers seem to have either been starving to death or getting devoured by werecritters.

I have a world right now where essentially every castle has soldiers in it. (Legends Viewer says only 1 out of roughly 50 is actually deserted in a 400-year world.)

(0027105)
thvaz (reporter)
2014-07-20 23:41

We don't have any more wilderness castles, I think this should be closed to reduce clutter.

(0027111)
Knight Otu (manager)
2014-07-21 03:33

Yeah. Suspended until the outdoor keeps are back.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2011-03-09 14:14	thvaz	New Issue
2011-03-09 14:49	Quietust	Note Added: 0016020
2011-03-09 15:26	AbuDhabi	Note Added: 0016021
2011-03-09 22:24	thvaz	Note Added: 0016035
2011-03-10 07:27	AO	Note Added: 0016044
2011-03-10 07:27	AO	Tag Attached: adventure mode
2011-03-10 07:27	AO	Tag Attached: AWAITING UPDATE
2011-03-10 07:27	AO	Tag Attached: Castle
2011-03-10 07:27	AO	Tag Attached: fixed?
2011-03-10 07:27	AO	Tag Attached: humans
2011-03-10 07:27	AO	Tag Attached: missing
2011-03-10 07:36	Footkerchief	Tag Detached: AWAITING UPDATE
2011-03-10 07:37	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: AO
2011-03-10 07:38	Footkerchief	Relationship added	child of 0004046
2011-03-10 08:47	thvaz	Note Added: 0016049
2011-03-10 09:27	Granite26	Note Added: 0016050
2011-03-10 09:33	AO	Tag Attached: Suggestion
2011-03-10 10:41	thvaz	Note Added: 0016054
2011-03-10 12:00	thvaz	Tag Attached: Intentional/Expected?
2011-03-13 12:48	thvaz	Note Edited: 0016054	View Revisions
2011-03-15 21:19	Logical2u	Tag Detached: Suggestion
2011-03-26 12:04	Lac	Note Added: 0016638
2011-03-26 12:46	Footkerchief	Tag Detached: fixed?
2011-03-27 12:26	thvaz	Note Added: 0016684
2011-04-01 13:33	Footkerchief	Summary	Castles are always empty or populated with wild life => Castles are always empty or populated with wild life (animals)
2011-04-01 13:34	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	related to 0004046
2011-04-01 13:34	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0004032
2012-01-07 20:36	Dwarfu	Tag Detached: Intentional/Expected?
2012-01-07 20:36	Dwarfu	Tag Attached: Fixed in 0.31.26?
2012-01-07 20:37	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0019311
2012-02-14 05:12	Footkerchief	Tag Renamed	Fixed in 0.31.26? => Fixed in 0.34.01?
2012-02-14 13:38	thvaz	Note Added: 0019551
2012-03-02 14:25	thvaz	Note Added: 0021002
2012-03-07 18:03	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0021243
2012-03-07 18:03	Dwarfu	Tag Detached: Fixed in 0.34.01?
2012-03-11 11:11	NW_Kohaku	Note Added: 0021368
2014-07-20 23:41	thvaz	Note Added: 0027105
2014-07-21 03:33	Knight Otu	Note Added: 0027111
2014-07-21 03:33	Knight Otu	Status	new => resolved
2014-07-21 03:33	Knight Otu	Resolution	open => suspended
2014-07-21 03:33	Knight Otu	Assigned To	=> Knight Otu

Notes
(0016020) Quietust (reporter) 2011-03-09 14:49	Check Legends mode for historical information on those sites - it's possible the inhabitants starved to death centuries ago.

(0016021) AbuDhabi (reporter) 2011-03-09 15:26	There are some castles, few and far between, which have tenants. It's difficult to find them, but they're out there.

(0016035) thvaz (reporter) 2011-03-09 22:24	Anyway, this issue should be adressed. Adventure mode is seriously crippled without soldiers to recruit.

(0016044) AO (reporter) 2011-03-10 07:27	Freshly downloaded 0.31.21 SDL for windows, no such problem.

(0016049) thvaz (reporter) 2011-03-10 08:47	Maybe it´s an ocasional problem then. I will verify what happened in Legend mode when I get home. It´s not fixed though - I had the problem in worlds generated at 31.21

(0016050) Granite26 (reporter) 2011-03-10 09:27	Maybe a fix would be indicating long abandonned forts? Changing the color to darker grey?

(0016054) thvaz (reporter) 2011-03-10 10:41 edited on: 2011-03-13 12:48	I look at the legends and it looks like every castle was stormed by night creatures and megabeasts. The world was generated with Very High levels of monsters and savagery, so probably this is the problem. edit: even in a medium world with medium ammount of monsters and savagery all the castles there is no one. In legend most of the records end around year 400 for all of them. These problems always occur in Very Long History worlds.

(0016638) Lac (reporter) 2011-03-26 12:04	Quote from Toady in response to "are castles still often filled with animals?" (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=80433.msg2110908#msg2110908 [^]) "Yeah, whatever's happening there is still going on. It comes from breaking out of the caravan stuff in the middle. It should be handled with the actual Release 1. I didn't want to handle it earlier since I'd just need to pull the bandaid right off again."

(0016684) thvaz (reporter) 2011-03-27 12:26	Good to know it will be fixed soon. It really breaks Adventure mode.

(0019311) Dwarfu (manager) 2012-01-07 20:37	Marking for review after "Release 1" (currently marked as 0.31.26).

(0019551) thvaz (reporter) 2012-02-14 13:38	There are still empty fortresses without signs of decaying, even besides inhabitated cities, but I guess it is more of incomplete feature than a bug.

(0021002) thvaz (reporter) 2012-03-02 14:25	And it happens the same way as before - lots of wild animals at the front gate of the castle, some inside, no sign of moss or decaying doors indicating abandonment, not even in legends mode. It is worse as longer is the world generation. Right now is pointless to generate more than 500 years TBH

(0021243) Dwarfu (manager) 2012-03-07 18:03	Thanks for the follow-ups, thvaz, I'm removing the Fixed in 0.34.01? tag. We can revisit it when more changes occur in this area.

(0021368) NW_Kohaku (reporter) 2012-03-11 11:11	This seems to be getting better after 0.34.05 - the soldiers seem to have either been starving to death or getting devoured by werecritters. I have a world right now where essentially every castle has soldiers in it. (Legends Viewer says only 1 out of roughly 50 is actually deserted in a 400-year world.)

(0027105) thvaz (reporter) 2014-07-20 23:41	We don't have any more wilderness castles, I think this should be closed to reduce clutter.

(0027111) Knight Otu (manager) 2014-07-21 03:33	Yeah. Suspended until the outdoor keeps are back.