0005048: Crash when greeting/talking to villager (access violation)

(0019495)
pilgrimboy (reporter)
2012-02-14 02:17

I reproduced it two more times with two other villagers. So it isn't just Lar. But I still hate him.

(0019496)
thvaz (reporter)
2012-02-14 02:39

In the first wolrd I genned, I tried with 3 adventurers with 3 different people. All crashed. I dind't have this problem in another world I generated.

(0019500)
runiq (reporter)
2012-02-14 04:35

Happening on Linux as well. Would a save file be helpful?

(0019501)
Footkerchief (manager)
2012-02-14 05:05

Reminder sent to: pilgrimboy, runiq

It would probably help for Toady to have at least one save, yes. http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0019505)
pilgrimboy (reporter)
2012-02-14 05:30

http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5482 [^]

(0019506)
runiq (reporter)
2012-02-14 05:44

And mine: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5483 [^]

(0019514)
ulf_fenrir (reporter)
2012-02-14 07:24
edited on: 2012-02-14 07:26

Crash confirmed on Mac OS X 10.7.3 as well. Talked to the first person I see, the standard conversation screen is displayed then crash without any additional action.

(0019532)
sunfire1226 (reporter)
2012-02-14 10:08

Happens on mine too on my Mac, OS 10.6.8.

(0019539)
Jotwebe (reporter)
2012-02-14 12:10
edited on: 2012-02-14 14:25

Same here, tried genning another work, no help. Segfaults whenever talking to someone and choosing "greet" (not on "nevermind"). Ubuntu Linux, 64 bit.

EDIT: A goblin chieftain boasting did not crash.

EDIT: Aaaand third time's the charm. Genned another world, and this time the bug appears to be absent.

(0019543)
runiq (reporter)
2012-02-14 12:49

After two worlds with this issue, I just genned another world and the issue is gone. Greeting people works now, albeit there's a bit of a delay before the rest of the dialog options appear.

(0019548)
Iapetus144 (reporter)
2012-02-14 13:17

Everytime I "Greet" someone in the talk menu, the game freezes. I'm using Windows 7.

I'll try genning another world. That seems to have helped some people.

(0019550)
Iapetus144 (reporter)
2012-02-14 13:23

Created a second world. The bug isn't present in the new world.

(0019553)
Stromko (reporter)
2012-02-14 14:33

First world I generated has this problem too. Hoping I can generate a world without the bug soon, as it takes about 30 minutes per.

(0019577)
Rafal99 (reporter)
2012-02-14 17:39

I have this problem too. I have created 2 worlds and adventurer in each of them and it always happens. The crash doesn't seem related to TrueType as it happens even with TRUETYPE:NO.

(0019598)
Determination (reporter)
2012-02-14 21:37

My bugged save as well:
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5506 [^]

(0019600)
OhCrap (reporter)
2012-02-14 22:11

Very easy to reproduce, without modifications to init file.

(0019603)
sylverone (reporter)
2012-02-14 22:33
edited on: 2012-02-14 22:33

I got this bug too. Vanilla SDL on Windows 7.

(0019609)
RiceMunk (reporter)
2012-02-15 01:38

Got this crash as well on the first three worlds I created. On the fourth one I used a pretty low number of years in the worldgen (50, as opposed to e.g. 250 on one of the others) and didn't get a crash when talking to villagers. Not sure if there's a relation between years of history and crashes happening.

(0019615)
rowanas (reporter)
2012-02-15 03:42

I get this crash if I try to talk as well. I'm using Mac OS 5.8

(0019623)
Rafal99 (reporter)
2012-02-15 06:10

I noticed that when you select to talk to someone, the DF memory usage starts rapidly growing. At one occasion the DF process memory usage was almost exactly 2GB when it crashed, which would suggest that crash happens because of running out of memory. In another try, it crashed at about 1.7GB DF memory usage, which is also pretty close.
This would also explain why smaller worlds don't crash, as smaller world means less memory usage at start, and also less when it peeks the moment you talk. If total memory usage at the peek is less than 2GB then it could have chance of not crashing.
Still the question is why it eats so much memory when you start the talk, is it a bug, or just a necessity because of amount of data in the world.

(0019652)
HopFlash (reporter)
2012-02-15 11:25
edited on: 2012-02-15 11:25

I watched my DF memory usage with the task manager under Win7-64bit and it was still at 700 MB before and at the moment I Greet the trader (or other people) and it crashed.

My savegame is here: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5515 [^]

(0019678)
HopFlash (reporter)
2012-02-15 14:04

In the savegame above I had a relative long world generation time (somewhere after year 200 it needs significant longer for one year step).
Thereafter I created a new world with short history and small world...it was generated with light speed. And no crashes with Greetings.

On my other computer I generate a medium map with medium history and the first years of generation were fast but somewhere after year 200 it takes loooong to step further. After 2 1/2 hours and year 234 I wanted to abort but my keypress wasn't recognized. After 4 hours it was finally finished.
Then I start with an adventurer and tried to Greet someone...it crashed.

So perhaps there is some junction between the long world generation part and talking to people. Perhaps something with the history?

(0019684)
Footkerchief (manager)
2012-02-15 14:30

That's probably enough savegames for Toady to fix the problem. Thanks all!

(0019707)
sektor666 (reporter)
2012-02-15 16:01

Confirmed. I downloaded 34.01 yesterday and played no problem.
Then I generated a new region today and it started crashing upon 'Greet'ing anyone. Regenerated the region two more times, same thing.

(0019744)
lightman (reporter)
2012-02-15 21:58

I am also seeing this issue. Windows 7, 2D

(0019855)
Toady One (administrator)
2012-02-16 16:29

This is sorted out for next time. I think it had to do with bandits living in ruins. There was also a 14 second or so delay in talking to people in longer history/larger worlds which I've managed to mostly eliminate.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2012-02-14 02:10	pilgrimboy	New Issue
2012-02-14 02:16	pilgrimboy	Issue Monitored: pilgrimboy
2012-02-14 02:16	pilgrimboy	Issue End Monitor: pilgrimboy
2012-02-14 02:17	pilgrimboy	Note Added: 0019495
2012-02-14 02:18	pilgrimboy	Issue Monitored: pilgrimboy
2012-02-14 02:18	pilgrimboy	Issue End Monitor: pilgrimboy
2012-02-14 02:39	thvaz	Note Added: 0019496
2012-02-14 02:56	Knight Otu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0005049
2012-02-14 03:42	thvaz	Issue Monitored: thvaz
2012-02-14 04:35	runiq	Note Added: 0019500
2012-02-14 04:35	runiq	Issue Monitored: runiq
2012-02-14 05:04	Footkerchief	Summary	Crash when greeting villager => Crash when greeting villager (access violation)
2012-02-14 05:05	Footkerchief	Summary	Crash when greeting villager (access violation) => Crash when talking to villager (access violation)
2012-02-14 05:05	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0019501
2012-02-14 05:30	pilgrimboy	Note Added: 0019505
2012-02-14 05:44	runiq	Note Added: 0019506
2012-02-14 07:24	ulf_fenrir	Note Added: 0019514
2012-02-14 07:25	ulf_fenrir	Issue Monitored: ulf_fenrir
2012-02-14 07:26	ulf_fenrir	Note Edited: 0019514	View Revisions
2012-02-14 10:08	sunfire1226	Note Added: 0019532
2012-02-14 12:10	Jotwebe	Note Added: 0019539
2012-02-14 12:11	Jotwebe	Issue Monitored: Jotwebe
2012-02-14 12:49	runiq	Note Added: 0019543
2012-02-14 13:17	Iapetus144	Note Added: 0019548
2012-02-14 13:23	Iapetus144	Note Added: 0019550
2012-02-14 14:09	Jotwebe	Note Edited: 0019539	View Revisions
2012-02-14 14:25	Jotwebe	Note Edited: 0019539	View Revisions
2012-02-14 14:33	Stromko	Note Added: 0019553
2012-02-14 17:39	Rafal99	Note Added: 0019577
2012-02-14 18:18	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0005085
2012-02-14 18:18	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: StrongAxe
2012-02-14 20:03	Footkerchief	Summary	Crash when talking to villager (access violation) => Crash when greeting/talking to villager (access violation)
2012-02-14 20:03	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0005093
2012-02-14 20:04	Footkerchief	Sticky Issue	No => Yes
2012-02-14 21:18	Determination	Tag Attached: 0.34.01
2012-02-14 21:18	Determination	Tag Attached: crash
2012-02-14 21:37	Determination	Note Added: 0019598
2012-02-14 21:54	Determination	Issue Monitored: Determination
2012-02-14 22:11	OhCrap	Note Added: 0019600
2012-02-14 22:33	sylverone	Note Added: 0019603
2012-02-14 22:33	sylverone	Note Edited: 0019603	View Revisions
2012-02-15 01:38	RiceMunk	Note Added: 0019609
2012-02-15 03:42	rowanas	Note Added: 0019615
2012-02-15 06:10	Rafal99	Note Added: 0019623
2012-02-15 06:11	Rafal99	Issue Monitored: Rafal99
2012-02-15 11:25	HopFlash	Note Added: 0019652
2012-02-15 11:25	HopFlash	Note Edited: 0019652	View Revisions
2012-02-15 14:04	HopFlash	Note Added: 0019678
2012-02-15 14:30	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0019684
2012-02-15 15:34	Kercso	Issue Monitored: Kercso
2012-02-15 16:01	sektor666	Note Added: 0019707
2012-02-15 16:02	sektor666	Issue Monitored: sektor666
2012-02-15 21:54	lightman	Issue Monitored: lightman
2012-02-15 21:58	lightman	Note Added: 0019744
2012-02-16 05:54	RiceMunk	Issue Monitored: RiceMunk
2012-02-16 13:49	Silicoid	Tag Attached: mummy
2012-02-16 13:49	Silicoid	Tag Attached: undead
2012-02-16 13:49	Silicoid	Tag Detached: undead
2012-02-16 13:49	Silicoid	Tag Detached: mummy
2012-02-16 16:29	Toady One	Note Added: 0019855
2012-02-16 16:29	Toady One	Status	new => resolved
2012-02-16 16:29	Toady One	Fixed in Version	=> Next Version
2012-02-16 16:29	Toady One	Resolution	open => fixed
2012-02-16 16:29	Toady One	Assigned To	=> Toady One
2012-02-16 22:57	Jotwebe	Issue End Monitor: Jotwebe
2012-02-17 13:33	Logical2u	Relationship added	has duplicate 0005233
2012-02-17 16:26	thvaz	Issue End Monitor: thvaz
2012-02-21 10:56	Rafal99	Issue End Monitor: Rafal99
2012-02-21 14:30	runiq	Issue End Monitor: runiq
2012-03-02 17:35	Dwarfu	Sticky Issue	Yes => No
2014-07-09 18:12	lightman	Issue End Monitor: lightman

Notes
(0019495) pilgrimboy (reporter) 2012-02-14 02:17	I reproduced it two more times with two other villagers. So it isn't just Lar. But I still hate him.

(0019496) thvaz (reporter) 2012-02-14 02:39	In the first wolrd I genned, I tried with 3 adventurers with 3 different people. All crashed. I dind't have this problem in another world I generated.

(0019500) runiq (reporter) 2012-02-14 04:35	Happening on Linux as well. Would a save file be helpful?

(0019501) Footkerchief (manager) 2012-02-14 05:05	Reminder sent to: pilgrimboy, runiq It would probably help for Toady to have at least one save, yes. http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0019505) pilgrimboy (reporter) 2012-02-14 05:30	http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5482 [^]

(0019506) runiq (reporter) 2012-02-14 05:44	And mine: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5483 [^]

(0019514) ulf_fenrir (reporter) 2012-02-14 07:24 edited on: 2012-02-14 07:26	Crash confirmed on Mac OS X 10.7.3 as well. Talked to the first person I see, the standard conversation screen is displayed then crash without any additional action.

(0019532) sunfire1226 (reporter) 2012-02-14 10:08	Happens on mine too on my Mac, OS 10.6.8.

(0019539) Jotwebe (reporter) 2012-02-14 12:10 edited on: 2012-02-14 14:25	Same here, tried genning another work, no help. Segfaults whenever talking to someone and choosing "greet" (not on "nevermind"). Ubuntu Linux, 64 bit. EDIT: A goblin chieftain boasting did not crash. EDIT: Aaaand third time's the charm. Genned another world, and this time the bug appears to be absent.

(0019543) runiq (reporter) 2012-02-14 12:49	After two worlds with this issue, I just genned another world and the issue is gone. Greeting people works now, albeit there's a bit of a delay before the rest of the dialog options appear.

(0019548) Iapetus144 (reporter) 2012-02-14 13:17	Everytime I "Greet" someone in the talk menu, the game freezes. I'm using Windows 7. I'll try genning another world. That seems to have helped some people.

(0019550) Iapetus144 (reporter) 2012-02-14 13:23	Created a second world. The bug isn't present in the new world.

(0019553) Stromko (reporter) 2012-02-14 14:33	First world I generated has this problem too. Hoping I can generate a world without the bug soon, as it takes about 30 minutes per.

(0019577) Rafal99 (reporter) 2012-02-14 17:39	I have this problem too. I have created 2 worlds and adventurer in each of them and it always happens. The crash doesn't seem related to TrueType as it happens even with TRUETYPE:NO.

(0019598) Determination (reporter) 2012-02-14 21:37	My bugged save as well: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5506 [^]

(0019600) OhCrap (reporter) 2012-02-14 22:11	Very easy to reproduce, without modifications to init file.

(0019603) sylverone (reporter) 2012-02-14 22:33 edited on: 2012-02-14 22:33	I got this bug too. Vanilla SDL on Windows 7.

(0019609) RiceMunk (reporter) 2012-02-15 01:38	Got this crash as well on the first three worlds I created. On the fourth one I used a pretty low number of years in the worldgen (50, as opposed to e.g. 250 on one of the others) and didn't get a crash when talking to villagers. Not sure if there's a relation between years of history and crashes happening.

(0019615) rowanas (reporter) 2012-02-15 03:42	I get this crash if I try to talk as well. I'm using Mac OS 5.8

(0019623) Rafal99 (reporter) 2012-02-15 06:10	I noticed that when you select to talk to someone, the DF memory usage starts rapidly growing. At one occasion the DF process memory usage was almost exactly 2GB when it crashed, which would suggest that crash happens because of running out of memory. In another try, it crashed at about 1.7GB DF memory usage, which is also pretty close. This would also explain why smaller worlds don't crash, as smaller world means less memory usage at start, and also less when it peeks the moment you talk. If total memory usage at the peek is less than 2GB then it could have chance of not crashing. Still the question is why it eats so much memory when you start the talk, is it a bug, or just a necessity because of amount of data in the world.

(0019652) HopFlash (reporter) 2012-02-15 11:25 edited on: 2012-02-15 11:25	I watched my DF memory usage with the task manager under Win7-64bit and it was still at 700 MB before and at the moment I Greet the trader (or other people) and it crashed. My savegame is here: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5515 [^]

(0019678) HopFlash (reporter) 2012-02-15 14:04	In the savegame above I had a relative long world generation time (somewhere after year 200 it needs significant longer for one year step). Thereafter I created a new world with short history and small world...it was generated with light speed. And no crashes with Greetings. On my other computer I generate a medium map with medium history and the first years of generation were fast but somewhere after year 200 it takes loooong to step further. After 2 1/2 hours and year 234 I wanted to abort but my keypress wasn't recognized. After 4 hours it was finally finished. Then I start with an adventurer and tried to Greet someone...it crashed. So perhaps there is some junction between the long world generation part and talking to people. Perhaps something with the history?

(0019684) Footkerchief (manager) 2012-02-15 14:30	That's probably enough savegames for Toady to fix the problem. Thanks all!

(0019707) sektor666 (reporter) 2012-02-15 16:01	Confirmed. I downloaded 34.01 yesterday and played no problem. Then I generated a new region today and it started crashing upon 'Greet'ing anyone. Regenerated the region two more times, same thing.

(0019744) lightman (reporter) 2012-02-15 21:58	I am also seeing this issue. Windows 7, 2D

(0019855) Toady One (administrator) 2012-02-16 16:29	This is sorted out for next time. I think it had to do with bandits living in ruins. There was also a 14 second or so delay in talking to people in longer history/larger worlds which I've managed to mostly eliminate.