0000643: Migrants show up, even though [POPULATION_CAP:7] is set before embarking on fortress

(0001533)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-06 11:13

Supposedly the population cap doesn't kick in until the first dwarven caravan has returned home. I don't know if that's a bug or not. Since the caravan apparently takes long to arrive now, that could explain it.

(0001534)
SirPenguin (reporter)
2010-04-06 11:17

I'm sure this is related to 0000486 (see my comment)

(0001543)
archivis (reporter)
2010-04-06 11:38

If the immigration cap isn't checked until after the dwarven caravan does its thing, then that's bonkers. Either it's a bug, or the tag in the init.txt needs to be changed to POPULATION_MODERATELY_STRONGLY_WORDED_LIMIT_POST_FIRST_DWARVEN_CARAVAN instead for clarity :)

(0002236)
DoctorZuber (reporter)
2010-04-08 20:11

it's . . . consistent with 40d, which makes it pretty much a non-issue at the present time. While I wouldn't mind seeing this adjusted, there's much bigger fish to fry right now.

(0019358)
Jack Trades (reporter)
2012-01-12 05:32

This is very annoying issue.
I think that there should be option to disable or hard limit immigrants since [POPULATION_CAP] doesn't do what it's supposed to.

(0020633)
Gauphastus (reporter)
2012-02-24 18:50

I'm well over 100 now, and babies are still being born even though that's turned off as well.

(0020639)
krenshala (reporter)
2012-02-24 21:23

With a pop cap of 32, and 33 dwarves (4 where children) after three migrant waves (summer, autumn and spring) and the first caravan, I received a 15 dwarf migrant wave the second summer, running vanilla 0.34.01 linux. I can't remember for sure, but I believe I received the next (autumn) migrant wave as well, despite having 49 dwarves (counting the 11 children), bringing my total pop to something like 53 (can't remember for sure now).

With 0.31.25 I would stop getting dwarves after passing the pop-cap (when population > population_cap). The first caravan would always arrive with or before the last group of dwarves as I typically don't generate much wealth that first summer, so I cannot confirm whether or not the caravan was needed to enforce the limit.

(0020687)
Zara (reporter)
2012-02-25 13:44

In my current fort the population cap is set to 120 - I've got 127 dwarfs, but another immigrant wave just arrived.

(0020689)
Mazonas (reporter)
2012-02-25 15:45

My pop cap is 200. When my population reached over 250 I dealt with it by setting all the children in a burrow and drowning the lot of them. I don't think population cap has ever really been respected in any version of the game. Would be wonderful if this could be fixed, though. My FPS slows to a crawl if my population gets too large.

(0020690)
Xotano (reporter)
2012-02-25 16:46
edited on: 2012-02-25 16:50

you could always just build a bridge to stop them from getting into the fort and atom smash them when they try :D

that or live on an island where you cant get immigrants cus your separated from everyone :D

(0020702)
Kogut (reporter)
2012-02-26 00:19

@Xotano:
smashing - 0003708
"live on an island" is not working

(0024638)
Dwarfu (manager)
2014-03-26 02:02

Resolving this in favor of 0002922, which seems to have a bit more info.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-06 11:01	archivis	New Issue
2010-04-06 11:10	Eb	Issue Monitored: Eb
2010-04-06 11:10	Eb	Issue End Monitor: Eb
2010-04-06 11:13	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0001533
2010-04-06 11:17	SirPenguin	Note Added: 0001534
2010-04-06 11:38	archivis	Note Added: 0001543
2010-04-06 18:28	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0000675
2010-04-08 19:41	archivis	Issue Monitored: archivis
2010-04-08 20:08	Kennel	Tag Attached: migrants
2010-04-08 20:11	DoctorZuber	Note Added: 0002236
2010-04-30 11:45	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: Intentional?
2010-06-14 08:57	Lemunde	Issue Monitored: Lemunde
2010-07-12 12:03	Footkerchief	Tag Renamed	Intentional? => Intentional/Expected?
2010-07-30 11:02	Unisol	Issue Monitored: Unisol
2010-11-06 08:01	Logical2u	Relationship added	has duplicate 0003520
2012-01-12 04:53	Logical2u	Relationship added	has duplicate 0005019
2012-01-12 05:30	Jack Trades	Issue Monitored: Jack Trades
2012-01-12 05:32	Jack Trades	Note Added: 0019358
2012-02-24 18:50	Gauphastus	Note Added: 0020633
2012-02-24 21:23	krenshala	Note Added: 0020639
2012-02-25 13:43	Zara	Issue Monitored: Zara
2012-02-25 13:44	Zara	Note Added: 0020687
2012-02-25 15:45	Mazonas	Note Added: 0020689
2012-02-25 16:46	Xotano	Note Added: 0020690
2012-02-25 16:50	Xotano	Note Edited: 0020690	View Revisions
2012-02-26 00:19	Kogut	Note Added: 0020702
2014-03-26 02:01	Dwarfu	Tag Detached: Intentional/Expected?
2014-03-26 02:02	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0024638
2014-03-26 02:02	Dwarfu	Relationship added	duplicate of 0002922
2014-03-26 02:02	Dwarfu	Status	new => resolved
2014-03-26 02:02	Dwarfu	Resolution	open => duplicate
2014-03-26 02:02	Dwarfu	Assigned To	=> Dwarfu
2014-03-26 02:03	Dwarfu	Relationship deleted	has duplicate 0000675
2014-03-26 02:03	Dwarfu	Relationship deleted	has duplicate 0003520
2014-03-26 02:04	Dwarfu	Relationship deleted	has duplicate 0005019

Notes
(0001533) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-04-06 11:13	Supposedly the population cap doesn't kick in until the first dwarven caravan has returned home. I don't know if that's a bug or not. Since the caravan apparently takes long to arrive now, that could explain it.

(0001534) SirPenguin (reporter) 2010-04-06 11:17	I'm sure this is related to 0000486 (see my comment)

(0001543) archivis (reporter) 2010-04-06 11:38	If the immigration cap isn't checked until after the dwarven caravan does its thing, then that's bonkers. Either it's a bug, or the tag in the init.txt needs to be changed to POPULATION_MODERATELY_STRONGLY_WORDED_LIMIT_POST_FIRST_DWARVEN_CARAVAN instead for clarity :)

(0002236) DoctorZuber (reporter) 2010-04-08 20:11	it's . . . consistent with 40d, which makes it pretty much a non-issue at the present time. While I wouldn't mind seeing this adjusted, there's much bigger fish to fry right now.

(0019358) Jack Trades (reporter) 2012-01-12 05:32	This is very annoying issue. I think that there should be option to disable or hard limit immigrants since [POPULATION_CAP] doesn't do what it's supposed to.

(0020633) Gauphastus (reporter) 2012-02-24 18:50	I'm well over 100 now, and babies are still being born even though that's turned off as well.

(0020639) krenshala (reporter) 2012-02-24 21:23	With a pop cap of 32, and 33 dwarves (4 where children) after three migrant waves (summer, autumn and spring) and the first caravan, I received a 15 dwarf migrant wave the second summer, running vanilla 0.34.01 linux. I can't remember for sure, but I believe I received the next (autumn) migrant wave as well, despite having 49 dwarves (counting the 11 children), bringing my total pop to something like 53 (can't remember for sure now). With 0.31.25 I would stop getting dwarves after passing the pop-cap (when population > population_cap). The first caravan would always arrive with or before the last group of dwarves as I typically don't generate much wealth that first summer, so I cannot confirm whether or not the caravan was needed to enforce the limit.

(0020687) Zara (reporter) 2012-02-25 13:44	In my current fort the population cap is set to 120 - I've got 127 dwarfs, but another immigrant wave just arrived.

(0020689) Mazonas (reporter) 2012-02-25 15:45	My pop cap is 200. When my population reached over 250 I dealt with it by setting all the children in a burrow and drowning the lot of them. I don't think population cap has ever really been respected in any version of the game. Would be wonderful if this could be fixed, though. My FPS slows to a crawl if my population gets too large.

(0020690) Xotano (reporter) 2012-02-25 16:46 edited on: 2012-02-25 16:50	you could always just build a bridge to stop them from getting into the fort and atom smash them when they try :D that or live on an island where you cant get immigrants cus your separated from everyone :D

(0020702) Kogut (reporter) 2012-02-26 00:19	@Xotano: smashing - 0003708 "live on an island" is not working

(0024638) Dwarfu (manager) 2014-03-26 02:02	Resolving this in favor of 0002922, which seems to have a bit more info.