0000066: Cloth/thread stolen from traders for hospital

(0000329)
Dwarfu (manager)
2010-04-02 16:31

Confirmed. Created hospital zone before Dwarf caravan arrived. I brought no cloth at embark. As soon as the caravan arrived, the dwarves seized the cloth up to the max I had set for the hospital (3 bolts).

(0002220)
cooky173 (reporter)
2010-04-08 19:01

This could be related to starving dwarves stealing from the caravan (I found this in 40d, but I think it was an intended feature)

(0002841)
Lazureus (reporter)
2010-04-11 11:08

Just had it happen to me.. even caught it on video.. http://www.mkv25.net/dfma/movie-2117-theivingdwarves [^]

Sorry about making a duplicate report.

(0006621)
Gringo_vene (reporter)
2010-05-12 17:36
edited on: 2010-05-12 19:11

Happened to me twice... they seem to steal from the caravan even if i have the cloth needed...

(Elves deserved it tho)

Edit: With 50 dwarves stealing it causes massive slowdown, mostly cause of the constant recalculations since everything involved is mooving.

(0007426)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-05-28 11:04

Probably related to this old bug:

# 000377 □ [dwarf mode][jobs][healthcare] dwarves giving food to the wounded don't mind stealing from visiting merchants even if it isn't urgent

(0009989)
Jon-Ace (reporter)
2010-07-11 17:30

Confirmed in 0.31.10

(0010384)
Rhenaya (reporter)
2010-07-15 17:40

yes confirmed for .10 they even ignore the maximum setting... i have now 50000/10000 clothing in the hospital and they still steal from the caravan :/

(0011460)
InsanityPrelude (reporter)
2010-08-03 14:22

Still happening in 0.31.12. I watched my dwarves carry off a bunch of cloth from the dwarven caravan before I'd even begun trading.

(0013384)
Untelligent (reporter)
2010-10-15 20:53

Still happening in 31.16.

(0015611)
Granite26 (reporter)
2011-02-28 20:51

538 has been marked closed for 31.20, should this?

(0015615)
Footkerchief (manager)
2011-02-28 21:09

0000538 was closed as a duplicate of this report, because it wasn't necessary to have both reports (cloth and thread are almost the same thing). This report should stay open unless it has been confirmed as fixed.

(0022385)
Blakmane (reporter)
2012-04-27 01:17
edited on: 2012-04-27 01:17

Just confirming this still happens in 34.07.

(0022530)
Sinistar (reporter)
2012-05-15 11:16

This just happened to me in latest, 34.08 version. First year, dwarven caravan. Same story, every dwarf run like rabid dog to the nearest wagon to get himself some cloth like it's a silk sock after goblin ambush. I THINK they ignored merchant mules...but it could be they just did not carry any cloth.

(0023065)
keir (reporter)
2012-06-20 08:35

This is still happening in 34.11

Also:
removed hospital zone, but jobs still in queue
removed containers, but jobs still in queue

(0023643)
MECHAnized (reporter)
2012-10-09 00:28

Haha, I was wondering why my dwarves raided the caravan for cloth. I chalked it up to a generous gift from the elves, but guess it's just a bug :P

[34.11]

(0023804)
Ookpik (reporter)
2012-12-26 14:38

This just happened to me. The damnedest thing was, even after the hospital was filled to three times its cloth capacity, the dwarves kept going back to steal more cloth. They CLEANED OUT the elves -- I didn't count precisely, but judging from the number of times I had to scroll down in the stocks screen, they took at least 200 bolts of cloth all told.

I'm wondering if each individual dwarf thought, "The hospital currently has 0 cloth so I need to take [let's say] six bolts". So each dwarf made six [or however many] trips, but since there were dozens of them, the amount of cloth they all seized together was outrageously overblown. Obviously the seizure shouldn't be happening at all, but it seems to me like there's a secondary problem with dwarves assuming they need to fill the coffers all by themselves. Each dwarf should reevaluate the cloth stock after each trip, rather than deciding to go back half a dozen times no matter what other dwarves are doing.

(0025888)
SirPenguin (reporter)
2014-07-11 18:13

Still happens as of 40.02 - and for what it's worth, it's still hilarious

(0025987)
Dwarfu (manager)
2014-07-12 09:52

RenQuar had this save for 40.02 from 0007134:
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8909 [^]

(0027186)
Chaoseed (reporter)
2014-07-22 04:51

Just saw this!

Also, there's a bug where dwarves will store much more cloth in hospitals than is needed (0000191, 0004406), and that makes this one even more apparent.

(0027507)
Dwarfu (manager)
2014-07-25 09:59

Chaoseed, both 0000191 and 0004406 are fixed for the next version (44.05). This report is possibly fixed as a side-effect, though considering merchant goods as available for use might be another bug entirely.

(0027518)
killthecook (reporter)
2014-07-25 11:54

This has been happening a lot to me (nearly on every fort) at version 0.34.11 is good to know this bug is solved since it bugged the fortress' hospital.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-01 18:30	cooky173	New Issue
2010-04-02 06:24	Todestool	Tag Attached: trade
2010-04-02 06:24	Todestool	Tag Attached: hospital
2010-04-02 06:24	Todestool	Tag Attached: zone
2010-04-02 16:31	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0000329
2010-04-02 16:31	Dwarfu	Tag Attached: cloth
2010-04-08 19:01	cooky173	Note Added: 0002220
2010-04-11 10:59	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0001006
2010-04-11 11:08	Lazureus	Note Added: 0002841
2010-04-29 13:20	Footkerchief	Category	General => Dwarf Mode -- Jobs, Healthcare
2010-05-12 17:36	Gringo_vene	Note Added: 0006621
2010-05-12 17:37	Gringo_vene	Note Edited: 0006621	View Revisions
2010-05-12 19:11	Gringo_vene	Note Edited: 0006621	View Revisions
2010-05-28 11:04	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0007426
2010-06-10 14:37	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0002261
2010-06-30 13:43	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0001083
2010-06-30 13:44	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0000538
2010-07-11 17:30	Jon-Ace	Note Added: 0009989
2010-07-15 17:40	Rhenaya	Note Added: 0010384
2010-08-03 14:22	InsanityPrelude	Note Added: 0011460
2010-08-10 14:46	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0003003
2010-10-15 20:53	Untelligent	Note Added: 0013384
2011-02-28 18:01	Footkerchief	Summary	Cloth stolen from traders for hospital => Cloth/thread stolen from traders for hospital
2011-02-28 18:02	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	has duplicate 0000538
2011-02-28 20:51	Granite26	Note Added: 0015611
2011-02-28 21:09	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0015615
2011-03-22 11:43	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0000415
2012-02-11 14:35	JasonMel	Note Added: 0019479
2012-02-11 14:44	JasonMel	Note Deleted: 0019479
2012-02-26 10:38	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0000996
2012-04-24 05:09	Logical2u	Relationship added	has duplicate 0005832
2012-04-27 01:17	Blakmane	Note Added: 0022385
2012-04-27 01:17	Blakmane	Note Edited: 0022385	View Revisions
2012-05-15 11:16	Sinistar	Note Added: 0022530
2012-05-22 20:56	Logical2u	Relationship added	has duplicate 0005941
2012-05-23 15:41	Logical2u	Relationship added	has duplicate 0005944
2012-06-18 23:32	Knight Otu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0006034
2012-06-20 08:35	keir	Note Added: 0023065
2012-10-09 00:14	MECHAnized	Issue Monitored: MECHAnized
2012-10-09 00:28	MECHAnized	Note Added: 0023643
2012-12-26 14:38	Ookpik	Note Added: 0023804
2013-06-23 23:40	Knight Otu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0006345
2014-07-11 18:13	SirPenguin	Note Added: 0025888
2014-07-12 09:51	Dwarfu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0007134
2014-07-12 09:52	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0025987
2014-07-12 09:53	Dwarfu	Assigned To	=> Dwarfu
2014-07-12 09:53	Dwarfu	Status	new => acknowledged
2014-07-22 04:51	Chaoseed	Note Added: 0027186
2014-07-25 09:59	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0027507
2014-07-25 11:54	killthecook	Note Added: 0027518
2014-07-25 15:13	Toady One	Status	acknowledged => resolved
2014-07-25 15:13	Toady One	Fixed in Version	=> Next Version
2014-07-25 15:13	Toady One	Resolution	open => fixed
2014-07-25 15:13	Toady One	Assigned To	Dwarfu => Toady One

Notes
(0000329) Dwarfu (manager) 2010-04-02 16:31	Confirmed. Created hospital zone before Dwarf caravan arrived. I brought no cloth at embark. As soon as the caravan arrived, the dwarves seized the cloth up to the max I had set for the hospital (3 bolts).

(0002220) cooky173 (reporter) 2010-04-08 19:01	This could be related to starving dwarves stealing from the caravan (I found this in 40d, but I think it was an intended feature)

(0002841) Lazureus (reporter) 2010-04-11 11:08	Just had it happen to me.. even caught it on video.. http://www.mkv25.net/dfma/movie-2117-theivingdwarves [^] Sorry about making a duplicate report.

(0006621) Gringo_vene (reporter) 2010-05-12 17:36 edited on: 2010-05-12 19:11	Happened to me twice... they seem to steal from the caravan even if i have the cloth needed... (Elves deserved it tho) Edit: With 50 dwarves stealing it causes massive slowdown, mostly cause of the constant recalculations since everything involved is mooving.

(0007426) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-05-28 11:04	Probably related to this old bug: # 000377 □ [dwarf mode][jobs][healthcare] dwarves giving food to the wounded don't mind stealing from visiting merchants even if it isn't urgent

(0009989) Jon-Ace (reporter) 2010-07-11 17:30	Confirmed in 0.31.10

(0010384) Rhenaya (reporter) 2010-07-15 17:40	yes confirmed for .10 they even ignore the maximum setting... i have now 50000/10000 clothing in the hospital and they still steal from the caravan :/

(0011460) InsanityPrelude (reporter) 2010-08-03 14:22	Still happening in 0.31.12. I watched my dwarves carry off a bunch of cloth from the dwarven caravan before I'd even begun trading.

(0013384) Untelligent (reporter) 2010-10-15 20:53	Still happening in 31.16.

(0015611) Granite26 (reporter) 2011-02-28 20:51	538 has been marked closed for 31.20, should this?

(0015615) Footkerchief (manager) 2011-02-28 21:09	0000538 was closed as a duplicate of this report, because it wasn't necessary to have both reports (cloth and thread are almost the same thing). This report should stay open unless it has been confirmed as fixed.

(0022385) Blakmane (reporter) 2012-04-27 01:17 edited on: 2012-04-27 01:17	Just confirming this still happens in 34.07.

(0022530) Sinistar (reporter) 2012-05-15 11:16	This just happened to me in latest, 34.08 version. First year, dwarven caravan. Same story, every dwarf run like rabid dog to the nearest wagon to get himself some cloth like it's a silk sock after goblin ambush. I THINK they ignored merchant mules...but it could be they just did not carry any cloth.

(0023065) keir (reporter) 2012-06-20 08:35	This is still happening in 34.11 Also: removed hospital zone, but jobs still in queue removed containers, but jobs still in queue

(0023643) MECHAnized (reporter) 2012-10-09 00:28	Haha, I was wondering why my dwarves raided the caravan for cloth. I chalked it up to a generous gift from the elves, but guess it's just a bug :P [34.11]

(0023804) Ookpik (reporter) 2012-12-26 14:38	This just happened to me. The damnedest thing was, even after the hospital was filled to three times its cloth capacity, the dwarves kept going back to steal more cloth. They CLEANED OUT the elves -- I didn't count precisely, but judging from the number of times I had to scroll down in the stocks screen, they took at least 200 bolts of cloth all told. I'm wondering if each individual dwarf thought, "The hospital currently has 0 cloth so I need to take [let's say] six bolts". So each dwarf made six [or however many] trips, but since there were dozens of them, the amount of cloth they all seized together was outrageously overblown. Obviously the seizure shouldn't be happening at all, but it seems to me like there's a secondary problem with dwarves assuming they need to fill the coffers all by themselves. Each dwarf should reevaluate the cloth stock after each trip, rather than deciding to go back half a dozen times no matter what other dwarves are doing.

(0025888) SirPenguin (reporter) 2014-07-11 18:13	Still happens as of 40.02 - and for what it's worth, it's still hilarious

(0025987) Dwarfu (manager) 2014-07-12 09:52	RenQuar had this save for 40.02 from 0007134: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8909 [^]

(0027186) Chaoseed (reporter) 2014-07-22 04:51	Just saw this! Also, there's a bug where dwarves will store much more cloth in hospitals than is needed (0000191, 0004406), and that makes this one even more apparent.

(0027507) Dwarfu (manager) 2014-07-25 09:59	Chaoseed, both 0000191 and 0004406 are fixed for the next version (44.05). This report is possibly fixed as a side-effect, though considering merchant goods as available for use might be another bug entirely.

(0027518) killthecook (reporter) 2014-07-25 11:54	This has been happening a lot to me (nearly on every fort) at version 0.34.11 is good to know this bug is solved since it bugged the fortress' hospital.