0000818: Ballista bolts glance off ordinary clothes

Notes
(0002150) MSeven (reporter) 2010-04-08 13:42	Dupe of 0000744 ?

(0002151) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-04-08 13:49	Probably not -- this is more likely due to the ballista bolts having a 0 missing from their weight or something.

(0002496) Creidieki (reporter) 2010-04-09 20:05	Ballista bolts seem to be missing any weight or physics information in the raws.

(0003488) drunken (reporter) 2010-04-14 09:22	I can confirm this and add that it is not just clothes, also skin. I hit a monkey in the head and all it got was bruises. If this is a raw issue is there a fix we can do without waiting for toady?

(0003601) drunken (reporter) 2010-04-14 20:25	Tested and failed: I tried adding [ATTACK:EDGE:300:10000:stab:stabs:NO_SUB:2000] (the line from crossbow bolt but with much higher numbers) and nothing happened.

(0004913) drunken (reporter) 2010-04-24 13:05	this goes for catapaults too. I think testing this was the first time I ever hit anything witha catapault in like 4 years of this game

(0020867) werdna (reporter) 2012-02-28 14:32	Confirmed still present in 34.02. I created a ballista at embark and fired wooden bolts through a pen of 40 hens and then a dwarf meeting zone; out of 20 or so targets hit there were only 2 hen fatalities (bone in brain kills). The other targets were merely bruised, with some occasional vomiting. While the bolts are wood, these are naked targets that would be in much worse shape if hit by a wooden bolt from a handheld crossbow. From past experience, it seems upgrading to metal ballista bolts makes them slightly more lethal, yet even masterwork bolts regularly produce nothing more than bruising, particularly on clothed and armored targets.

(0021684) werdna (reporter) 2012-03-23 20:35	I saw someone report that blunt weapons were now working, so I recreated the above test on 34.06, using wood and metal boltheads. Summary: 7 shots (3 wood, 2 copper, 2 iron): 53 hits. Killed: 1 dwarf, 2 dogs, 2 geese, 3 rabbits (1 in 7 hits on densely packed targets with no armor). Kills only seem to occur on head shots (skull through brain) or torn spine tissue in the dwarf's case (suffocation); occasional bleeding deaths. Interestingly, only rabbits were "propelled" by shots. Geese and dogs and anything larger were not propelled. I seem to recall in 40d seeing goblins propelled by hits? Detail: Superior(x3 parts) Ballista superior wooden ballista bolt: - rabbit: shattered left rear leg, shattered lower spine bone - dwarf: bruised left leg through wool cloak - horse: bruised lower body, right rear leg, right leg, lower body - dwarf: bruised right leg, lower body, upper body, left arm (all stopped by cloak) well-crafted pine ballista bolt: - dog: bruised right leg, bruised lower body guts - buffalo: bruised left rear leg, right front leg, right rear leg, tail, lower body - dwarf: bruised left leg, right leg, left arm, upper body, lower body, right foot, all stopped by wool cloak or silk shoes - miner: bruised left leg, right leg, left arm, upper body, all blocked by wool cloak/robe well-crafted highwood ballista bolt: - rabbit: shattered middle spine bone - dog: bruised lower body guts - dog: shattered right paw, bruised legs, head strike jamming skull through brain - KILLED - dwarf: bruised liver through leather cloak exceptional copper ballista bolt: - goose: bruised liver, shattered leg - rabbit: shattered leg - goose: shattered legs x3, shattered ribs, bruised gizzard - rabbit: propelled! glanced off head, shattered mid spine bone, bruised guts, lower&upper body, leg - rabbit: propelled! bruised guts, glanced off paw - rabbit: shattered leg bones x5, bled to death - KILLED - goose: shattered leg&wing bones x7 - goose: shattered leg, head strike jamming skull through brain - KILLED - dwarf: bruised pancreas/stomach/guts/spleen, torn mid spine tissue, shattered leg. Eventually suffocated - KILLED superior copper ballista bolt: - dwarf: bruised liver, stomach, guts; shattered leg and arm (leather cloak and wool robe) - goose: shattered leg, bruised toe and guts - goose: bruised guts - goose: bruised stomach, lungs x2, guts, shattered leg - goose: bruised guts, shattered wing - rabbit: propelled! bruised liver and guts, shattered leg x3, shattered middle spine, bled to death - KILLED - dog: severed eye tooh flies in arc!, bruised guts and kidney, shattered rib - dog: shattered leg x3, bruised lung - goose: bruised guts, jammed bone through knee muscle x3, shattered wings and legs x2 - dog: shattered leg x3, shattered nail, bruised throat and stomach - dog: shattered leg x5, torn lower spine nervous tissue - dwarf: shattered leg x3, shattered arm, bruised kidney finely-crafted iron ballista bolt: - rabbit: propelled! shattered leg x2, shattered spine, bruised stomach x2, later bled to death - KILLED - rabbit: propelled! bruised kidney - dwarf: shattered leg through silk robe - goose: shattered foot - dog: bruised lung, guts - goose: shattered leg and wing, bruised heart - rabbit: propelled! shattered leg, bruised stomach, bruised skin of the head - rabbit: shattered leg - dwarf: shattered leg x3, jammed bone through shoulder and hip, tore lower spine tissue, bruised throat finely-crafted iron ballista bolt, 2nd shot: - rabbit: propelled! shattered leg x2, bruised head skin, glanced off tail and paw - dog: shattered leg x2, bruised guts and spleen - goose: shattered leg, bruised guts, torn spine tissue - rabbit: propelled! bruised lung - rabbit: shattered bone, glanced off ear - goose: skull through brain, KILLED - goose: shattered legs x3, shattered rib, bruised guts/liver/lung - goose: shattered legs x2, rib jammed through liver, torn spine tissue - rabbit: shattered leg and rib - rabbit: bruised kidney/lung/spleen, shattered leg x2, shattered spine - dog: skull through brain, KILLED

(0021685) Footkerchief (manager) 2012-03-23 21:37	Propelled issues are mostly covered at 0000344.

(0021706) werdna (reporter) 2012-03-24 12:57	Since weight would seem to be the major component behind ballista damage, and 'propelling' as well, could it be that ballista bolts (and likely catapult stones) have somehow "lost weight" due to some change?

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-08 13:00	Greenbane	New Issue
2010-04-08 13:39	Kennel	Tag Attached: combat
2010-04-08 13:42	MSeven	Note Added: 0002150
2010-04-08 13:49	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0002151
2010-04-09 20:05	Creidieki	Note Added: 0002496
2010-04-09 20:06	Creidieki	Tag Attached: raw file
2010-04-14 09:21	drunken	Issue Monitored: drunken
2010-04-14 09:22	drunken	Note Added: 0003488
2010-04-14 16:31	simrobert	Issue Monitored: simrobert
2010-04-14 20:25	drunken	Note Added: 0003601
2010-04-24 13:05	drunken	Note Added: 0004913
2010-07-24 18:44	Hieronymous Alloy	Issue Monitored: Hieronymous Alloy
2012-02-28 14:32	werdna	Note Added: 0020867
2012-03-23 20:35	werdna	Note Added: 0021684
2012-03-23 21:37	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0021685
2012-03-24 12:57	werdna	Note Added: 0021706
2014-08-06 07:41	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0007874