0009271: troglodytes [intelligent/untamable animals?] cannot be assigned to a cage or chain

(0033680)
Manzeenan (reporter)
2015-12-09 11:15

No method to remove creature either

(0033682)
maqertas (reporter)
2015-12-09 12:46

This is also the case with pits, as the creatures which you want to assign do not show up in the list.

(0033862)
Atmaz (reporter)
2015-12-13 19:33

Can confirm this issue, still present in 42.03 while using a save from 42.01.

Not only Troglodytes, but Blind Cave Ogres, Goblins from sieges, Minotaurs, Trolls, gorlaks - seemingly any intelligent creature. None can be assigned to a pit, pasture, or chain when captured in a cage trap and stored in a stockpile.

(0033903)
ShawnMark (reporter)
2015-12-14 20:01

Currently on 42.03 the only method of removing intelligent creatures from a cage that has worked for me so far is to place the cage and attach a lever.

(0033943)
Talvieno (reporter)
2015-12-15 13:53

Possibly related to 0003070 ?

(0033987)
PatrikLundell (reporter)
2015-12-17 02:20

(Hostile) dwarves could not be pitted etc. in 0.40.24, so this is likely a side effect of the multi species fortress upgrade. An analog change is that bodies of sapients now are hauled to the corpse stockpile rather than the refuse one (previously only dwarves, regardless of hostility, were hauled to the corpse stockpile).
The appropriate correction is probably to check sapients for hostility as well as sapience when determining if they can be pitted (etc) or not.

(0034033)
Anerty (reporter)
2015-12-18 16:53

Also affects Dingo Man/Woman, which is a pain because they tend to run into cage traps a lot in untamed wilds biomes.

(0034089)
FortunaDraken (reporter)
2015-12-20 19:46

Can confirm this happens with any kind of animal person, I caught dingo, armadillo and weasel people and none of them are available to be put in pastures, pits, chained or caged. Removing them from the cage simply makes a dwarf grab a spare cage, walk up to the built on and stuff them in a new one.

Only way to remove the critter is via lever linking.

(0034173)
nshapter (reporter)
2015-12-23 17:23

Confirming in 42.03. in my fort I can pit undead and Beak Dogs, but not Goblins or Trolls. Also cannot transfer Goblins and Trolls between cages. They do not appear on the list of creatures assignable to buildings or zones.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2015-12-07 19:28	BenLubar	New Issue
2015-12-07 19:28	BenLubar	Issue Monitored: BenLubar
2015-12-09 11:15	Manzeenan	Note Added: 0033680
2015-12-09 12:46	maqertas	Note Added: 0033682
2015-12-13 19:33	Atmaz	Note Added: 0033862
2015-12-14 20:01	ShawnMark	Note Added: 0033903
2015-12-14 20:01	ShawnMark	Issue Monitored: ShawnMark
2015-12-15 13:53	Talvieno	Note Added: 0033943
2015-12-16 15:34	Dwarfu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0009296
2015-12-16 15:34	Dwarfu	Issue Monitored: Talvieno
2015-12-16 15:34	Dwarfu	Issue Monitored: iamltr27
2015-12-17 02:20	PatrikLundell	Note Added: 0033987
2015-12-17 13:15	mUody	Issue Monitored: mUody
2015-12-18 16:53	Anerty	Note Added: 0034033
2015-12-20 19:46	FortunaDraken	Note Added: 0034089
2015-12-23 17:23	nshapter	Note Added: 0034173
2015-12-29 00:51	Atmaz	Issue Monitored: Atmaz
2016-01-18 15:48	Toady One	Relationship added	has duplicate 0009333
2016-01-18 15:48	Toady One	Relationship added	has duplicate 0009465
2016-01-18 15:49	Toady One	Status	new => resolved
2016-01-18 15:49	Toady One	Fixed in Version	=> Next Version
2016-01-18 15:49	Toady One	Resolution	open => fixed
2016-01-18 15:49	Toady One	Assigned To	=> Toady One
2020-02-01 22:13	Talvieno	Issue End Monitor: Talvieno

Notes
(0033680) Manzeenan (reporter) 2015-12-09 11:15	No method to remove creature either

(0033682) maqertas (reporter) 2015-12-09 12:46	This is also the case with pits, as the creatures which you want to assign do not show up in the list.

(0033862) Atmaz (reporter) 2015-12-13 19:33	Can confirm this issue, still present in 42.03 while using a save from 42.01. Not only Troglodytes, but Blind Cave Ogres, Goblins from sieges, Minotaurs, Trolls, gorlaks - seemingly any intelligent creature. None can be assigned to a pit, pasture, or chain when captured in a cage trap and stored in a stockpile.

(0033903) ShawnMark (reporter) 2015-12-14 20:01	Currently on 42.03 the only method of removing intelligent creatures from a cage that has worked for me so far is to place the cage and attach a lever.

(0033943) Talvieno (reporter) 2015-12-15 13:53	Possibly related to 0003070 ?

(0033987) PatrikLundell (reporter) 2015-12-17 02:20	(Hostile) dwarves could not be pitted etc. in 0.40.24, so this is likely a side effect of the multi species fortress upgrade. An analog change is that bodies of sapients now are hauled to the corpse stockpile rather than the refuse one (previously only dwarves, regardless of hostility, were hauled to the corpse stockpile). The appropriate correction is probably to check sapients for hostility as well as sapience when determining if they can be pitted (etc) or not.

(0034033) Anerty (reporter) 2015-12-18 16:53	Also affects Dingo Man/Woman, which is a pain because they tend to run into cage traps a lot in untamed wilds biomes.

(0034089) FortunaDraken (reporter) 2015-12-20 19:46	Can confirm this happens with any kind of animal person, I caught dingo, armadillo and weasel people and none of them are available to be put in pastures, pits, chained or caged. Removing them from the cage simply makes a dwarf grab a spare cage, walk up to the built on and stuff them in a new one. Only way to remove the critter is via lever linking.

(0034173) nshapter (reporter) 2015-12-23 17:23	Confirming in 42.03. in my fort I can pit undead and Beak Dogs, but not Goblins or Trolls. Also cannot transfer Goblins and Trolls between cages. They do not appear on the list of creatures assignable to buildings or zones.