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0010036Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Environmentpublic2016-10-07 03:592021-02-06 14:24
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PCWIndows7 (64 Bit)
0010036: Disproportion between thieves sizes and size of goods stolen
I would call it something of a design oversight:
In my current game I had a Kea who stole an acacia stepladder

Well, Keas (in RL) are curious and highly intelligent ... they like to attack sheep and yes, they are known to be thieves.
But, as parrots, they surely are too small and weak, to steal a whole wooden stepladder :D

Perhaps a check should be introduced that compares a thieves size/strength with the size/weight of the item to be stolen and then cancels the theft event (or rerolls for the good stolen), if the result is too disproportionate/ridiculous
Have a fortress in a region where Keas roam.
Keep smaller items locked away and have only large items be available for them to steal.
Sooner or later you will probably get a Kea stealing an item that should be far too large for his body size
0.43.05, 64-bit, theft, wild animal
parent of 0005784resolved Footkerchief Kea birds steal inapropriate size objects 
Issue History
2016-10-07 03:59ProteusNew Issue
2016-10-07 05:07mrmagolorNote Added: 0035955
2016-10-07 09:36ProteusNote Added: 0035961
2016-10-07 09:40ProteusNote Edited: 0035961bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0035961#r14489
2016-10-07 11:47ProteusNote Added: 0035962
2016-10-07 11:48ProteusNote Edited: 0035962bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0035962#r14491
2016-10-07 11:49ProteusNote Edited: 0035962bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0035962#r14492
2016-10-07 13:22ProteusTag Attached: 0.43.05
2016-10-07 13:24ProteusTag Attached: 64-bit
2016-10-07 13:24ProteusTag Attached: theft
2016-10-07 13:24ProteusTag Attached: wild animal
2016-10-09 09:24Simons MithNote Added: 0035964
2016-10-09 12:15ProteusNote Added: 0035965
2016-10-10 11:41eerrNote Added: 0035967
2016-10-10 16:37ProteusNote Added: 0035968
2016-10-10 16:47ProteusNote Edited: 0035968bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0035968#r14499
2018-11-07 15:06lethosorRelationship addedparent of 0005784
2018-11-07 15:07lethosorNote Added: 0038921
2018-11-07 15:07lethosorAssigned To => lethosor
2018-11-07 15:07lethosorStatusnew => acknowledged
2021-02-06 14:24Blue-Maned_HawkNote Added: 0040901

2016-10-07 05:07   
I'm guessing if this is more of an oversight, either A. Toady & Threetoe are planning to handle it sometime, or B. Go to the suggestion forums/Eternal Suggestion Voting.
2016-10-07 09:36   
(edited on: 2016-10-07 09:40)
I was already divided over this (whether posting it in "suggestions" or Bugtracker) before posting it here. But then I thought that, in a way it is a bug (at least if the game aims for a little bit realism on this matter ... which isn't too far of a sretch, considering that they also have different clothes sizes for different species)

2016-10-07 11:47   
(edited on: 2016-10-07 11:49)
It turns out that there is one thing they love to steal even more than step ladders ... and that is wheelbarrows. The stole around 3-4 of them in the 2-3 hours I played the game now

Must surely be a sight ... a Kea in flight, with a wheelbarrow in his claws :D

Simons Mith   
2016-10-09 09:24   
Wait a minute -- supposing two keas carried it together? They'd have to have it on a line, but they could use a strand of creeper. Probably held under the dorsal guiding feathers...
2016-10-09 12:15   
True ... that Keas form criminal gangs and use more technical means in order to carry away larger stuff cannot be excluded, considering their intelligence and social behavior

2016-10-10 11:41   
Are you sure you didn't encounter the dreaded Giant Kea? They are known to frequent the same biome, especially after their brethren are slain.

Giant Keas can steal lead stepladders.
2016-10-10 16:37   
(edited on: 2016-10-10 16:47)
Nope, neither were it Keamen/-women ... definitely normal Keas who stole the stepladders and wheelbarrows ...
even if I wanted to kill those Keas (which I don't want ... especially as now, that 90% of my activities are underground, the thefts of wheelbarrow and stepladders have decreased to 0) I wouldn't know how to kill thosae Keas without posting crossbowdwarves every where 24/7 (considering the Keas are airborne) :D

2018-11-07 15:07   
I'm not convinced that this isn't just an unimplemented feature, and missing features aren't bugs, but in terms of reasonably expected behavior, I can see why this and 0005784 could be considered bugs.
2021-02-06 14:24   
Is this still an issue in the current version?