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0010729Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Raidspublic2018-04-28 06:492018-09-23 11:28
Reportersionlife 
Assigned ToLoci 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityhave not tried
StatusacknowledgedResolutionopen 
PlatformMacOSMacOS SierraOS Version10.12.6
Product Version0.44.09 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0010729: Population counts on fortress mode sites misleading
DescriptionIn the save below, I recently sent out a squad to pillage a dark fortress 1 day's travel to the NE called "SprinkledFly". In the 'c' map screen, when I hovered the site, it said that the population was ~ 75. So I thought my 10 man squad would do well, so I sent them off on a pillage mission. When the returned and I read the mission report, I was surprised to find that they faced an army of over 2500 ogres. Luckily they escaped with just 3 lost in battle. I think the population estimate given on the map should reflect more accurately the number of potential opponents. If I had known, I would have selected the sneaky mission instead of the full open attack. I don't know if it is because the population count is only counting the historical figures.

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Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2018-04-28 06:49sionlifeNew Issue
2018-04-28 06:50sionlifeNote Added: 0038214
2018-04-28 14:06Shonai_DwellerNote Added: 0038216
2018-04-28 14:50sionlifeNote Added: 0038217
2018-04-29 16:48Shonai_DwellerNote Added: 0038219
2018-05-08 19:27LociDescription Updatedbug_revision_view_page.php?rev_id=15565#r15565
2018-05-08 19:32LociNote Added: 0038303
2018-09-22 01:05JacquesTreatmentNote Added: 0038819
2018-09-23 11:28LociAssigned To => Loci
2018-09-23 11:28LociStatusnew => acknowledged

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sionlife   
2018-04-28 06:50   
Sorry, don't know why in the post above the population number came out all funny. That sentence should have read:

In the 'c' map screen, when I hovered the site, it said that the population was 75.
(0038216)
Shonai_Dweller   
2018-04-28 14:06   
Pets, even semi-intelligent ones like trolls and ogres aren't counted as part of the population.
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sionlife   
2018-04-28 14:50   
oh ok, but maybe when you hover over a site it can give more of a total breakdown of all the occupants. My point was that I wasn't expecting to encounter 2500 beings when pillaging that site because I thought there were going to be about 75. As far as I can tell there is no other way to know who lives there other than retiring the fort and going into legends mode. Maybe we could have a spy mission type as well to reconnoitre a site before attacking perhaps?
(0038219)
Shonai_Dweller   
2018-04-29 16:48   
Interrogating prisoners for info and sending spies is part of this update cycle, yes. Probably better off posting specific suggestions for these features on the Suggestions board though.
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Loci   
2018-05-08 19:32   
@sionlife: The tracker uses '~' as a special character to auto-link to a note (in your case, note 75). Adding a space prevents this behavior.
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JacquesTreatment   
2018-09-22 01:05   
Yeah. Something's wrong with this. I just "raided" a goblin fortress with 10 goblins... and 1462 trolls unaccounted in the census. Raiding just stopped being a fun way to lose.