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0005741Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Militarypublic2012-03-31 20:422012-05-31 04:44
Toady One 
0005741: Boots don't count as shoes, military gets bad thoughts
I start up my military and assign my dwarves to practice sparring while I set the rest up. Including my marksdwarves until I can get some archery targets and ammuntion for them.

Everything's fine until I stop them from sparring and set them to practice shooting. When that happens they start getting bad thoughts and quickly go insane.

I think it's when they run out of ammuntion. I have plenty, and they're assigned some in the ammunition menu in the military menu. But when they run out then usually go to my meeting hall for a while with Soldier (no activity) listed. Not certain though.

I've switched them back to sparring and watched them get happy. Switched to shooting and they get unhappy again.

It's happened in multiple forts, and in 34.06, though I don't know if it happened sooner than that.
Set up military. Get targets built and ammunition made. Set marksdwarves to practice at targets. Wait a while. Watch marksdwarves go insane.
I first thought it was a clothing issue, since they had bad thoughts from not having any listed. But I think that was from when they changed into their armor, and the game was just showing which bad thoughts were affecting them.

I've tried it both with and without normal clothing worn, and it didn't matter.

They also had long patrol bad thoughts listed, but so did the rest of my military. Who were all happy.
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related to 0000535acknowledged Toady One Equipping weapons/armor on military is erratic 
related to 0005786resolved Toady One Dwarf not wearing owned clothing, produces bad thoughts 
Issue History
2012-03-31 20:42DrawdeNew Issue
2012-04-01 01:05KogutNote Added: 0021970
2012-04-01 01:18DrawdeNote Added: 0021973
2012-04-01 02:50KogutNote Added: 0021975
2012-04-01 03:18DrawdeNote Added: 0021977
2012-04-01 03:19KogutNote Added: 0021978
2012-04-01 03:57DrawdeNote Added: 0021980
2012-04-21 19:35DrawdeNote Added: 0022330
2012-04-21 19:36DrawdeNote Edited: 0022330bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0022330#r8321
2012-04-23 07:00FootkerchiefSummaryArchery practice and bad thoughts => Boots don
2012-04-23 07:00FootkerchiefSummaryBoots don => Boots don't count as shoes, military gets bad thoughts
2012-04-23 07:01FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0000535
2012-04-23 08:42Hieronymous AlloyIssue Monitored: Hieronymous Alloy
2012-05-31 04:44Toady OneStatusnew => resolved
2012-05-31 04:44Toady OneFixed in Version => Next Version
2012-05-31 04:44Toady OneResolutionopen => fixed
2012-05-31 04:44Toady OneAssigned To => Toady One
2013-03-07 01:27DwarfuRelationship addedrelated to 0005786

2012-04-01 01:05   
"start getting bad thoughts" - can you specify what kind of bad thoughts? Maybe their friend was killed.
2012-04-01 01:18   
Nothing specific, since it looks like every bad thought currently affecting them shows up on the list when that happens.

If that's wrong, then it's either long patrol duty or being naked. Except none of my other soldiers except my marksdwarves are affected. All my other dwarves, even when complaining about long patrol duty, are happy. And never mention anything about clothing, even when just wearing armor.

Whatever the thoughts, they eventually start tanrumming, then go insane. But only when actually using the archery targets.
2012-04-01 02:50   
"being naked" may lead to insanity - maybe archery training results in problem with clothes? It may be a good idea to upload example of bugged save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]
2012-04-01 03:18   
Would just the save work? Got some custom creatures.
2012-04-01 03:19   
"bugged save" as in "save where this bug happened"
2012-04-01 03:57   

http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6057 [^]

I've done what I could to make them happy, including only being on duty every other month. Some are still unhappy though.
2012-04-21 19:35   
(edited on: 2012-04-21 19:36)
I think I found part of the problem. Armor boots don't seem to count as "shoes" when worn, and thus keep causing bad thoughts. Don't know if that's the entire thing though.

I had a tantruming marksdwarf in my current fort. Main bad thoughts long patrol and no shoes. Switched my military to socks instead of boots, and he's now ecstatic. With the only bad thought being long patrol.