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0008072Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Environmentpublic2014-08-18 14:172016-05-12 15:56
ReporterChamyZurka 
Assigned ToToady One 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityalways
StatusresolvedResolutionfixed 
PlatformOSOS Version
Product Version 
Target VersionFixed in Version0.43.03 
Summary0008072: No bee colonies in temperate biomes (only in warm/hot)
DescriptionI play a lot embark and I never seen anything colony
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related to 0005685resolved Toady One Mountain regions contain no insect colonies regardless of actual biome 
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Issue History
Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2014-08-18 14:17ChamyZurkaNew Issue
2014-08-18 14:28FootkerchiefNote Added: 0029258
2014-08-18 14:28FootkerchiefAssigned To => Footkerchief
2014-08-18 14:28FootkerchiefStatusnew => needs feedback
2014-08-18 14:28FootkerchiefRelationship addedduplicate of 0005685
2014-08-18 23:57ChamyZurkaNote Added: 0029289
2014-08-18 23:57ChamyZurkaStatusneeds feedback => assigned
2014-08-18 23:58ChamyZurkaNote Edited: 0029289bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0029289#r11250
2014-08-19 06:41FootkerchiefSummaryNo Bee Colony... No colony => No bee colonies in temperate biomes
2014-08-19 08:47TalvienoNote Added: 0029306
2014-08-19 09:03Knight OtuNote Added: 0029307
2014-08-19 09:22TalvienoNote Added: 0029309
2014-08-19 10:15FootkerchiefStatusassigned => needs feedback
2014-08-19 12:07Khym ChanurNote Added: 0029321
2014-08-19 12:07Khym ChanurIssue Monitored: Khym Chanur
2014-08-21 01:26ChamyZurkaNote Added: 0029405
2014-08-21 01:26ChamyZurkaStatusneeds feedback => assigned
2014-08-22 23:47ChamyZurkaNote Edited: 0029405bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0029405#r11395
2014-09-16 13:40CanisaurNote Added: 0030219
2014-09-16 14:09FootkerchiefSummaryNo bee colonies in temperate biomes => No bee colonies in temperate biomes (only in warm/hot)
2014-09-16 14:11FootkerchiefRelationship replacedrelated to 0005685
2014-09-16 14:11FootkerchiefStatusassigned => confirmed
2015-05-19 06:22DwarfuNote Added: 0032704
2015-05-19 06:22DwarfuIssue Monitored: Dwarfu
2015-06-30 01:11verdantsfNote Added: 0032825
2015-06-30 20:57verdantsfNote Edited: 0032825bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0032825#r13155
2015-06-30 21:00verdantsfNote Edited: 0032825bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0032825#r13156
2015-06-30 21:00verdantsfIssue Monitored: verdantsf
2015-12-26 17:04DwarfuNote Added: 0034205
2016-05-10 11:52Dame de la LicorneNote Added: 0035119
2016-05-10 11:53Dame de la LicorneIssue Monitored: Dame de la Licorne
2016-05-10 15:32Dame de la LicorneNote Edited: 0035119bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0035119#r14163
2016-05-10 15:33Dame de la LicorneNote Edited: 0035119bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0035119#r14164
2016-05-12 15:56Toady OneNote Added: 0035154
2016-05-12 15:56Toady OneStatusconfirmed => resolved
2016-05-12 15:56Toady OneFixed in Version => Next Version
2016-05-12 15:56Toady OneResolutionopen => fixed
2016-05-12 15:56Toady OneAssigned ToFootkerchief => Toady One
2016-05-12 18:20Dame de la LicorneIssue End Monitor: Dame de la Licorne
2016-05-13 14:11DwarfuIssue End Monitor: Dwarfu

Notes
(0029258)
Footkerchief   
2014-08-18 14:28   
Does 0005685 explain it?
(0029289)
ChamyZurka   
2014-08-18 23:57   
(edited on: 2014-08-18 23:58)
I embark in
1-Temperate savanna, temperature: Temperate I found 0 colony.
2-Temperate freshwater Marsh, Temperature: Warm I found 3 colonies.
3-Tropical Shrubland, Temperature: Hot I found 5 colonies (2 honney bee)
4-Temperate Grassland, Temperature: Temperate I found 0 colony

So for me, if the temperature is temperate there are any colonies.
(0029306)
Talvieno   
2014-08-19 08:47   
Can anyone confirm this? I'm fairly sure I've never seen it myself...
(0029307)
Knight Otu   
2014-08-19 09:03   
It may take some time for colonies to develop, but I've yet to see embarks without colonies after some in-game weeks.
(0029309)
Talvieno   
2014-08-19 09:22   
Agreed. ChamyZurka, could you provide a save with the problem?
(0029321)
Khym Chanur   
2014-08-19 12:07   
Here's an example save: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9448 [^]

Notes:

* Not near any mountains (that is, not 0005685).
* Late spring.
* 2x2 embark in a temperate forest.
* Modded dwarves to be [NO_EAT][NO_SLEEP][NO_DRINK].
* Near an ocean, and right next to an elven settlement.
* Have done absolutely nothing except create a crafts workshop, make a colony, and then repeatedly install/remove it.
(0029405)
ChamyZurka   
2014-08-21 01:26   
(edited on: 2014-08-22 23:47)
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9474 [^]

A 125 years old world size Small
3x3 Embark in Temperate Conifer Forest
Temperature: Temperate
I'm make ans install five hive and wait late spring
(0030219)
Canisaur   
2014-09-16 13:40   
I'm seeing this issue too. I couldn't find any honey bees in temperate biomes, and I saw this bug, so I did some testing. Embarks are either 1 or 2 biomes.

http://pastebin.com/n73F6WAd [^]

To summarize, I genned a new world with PlayNow!, did 12 5x5 embarks across the temperature scale, and found zero colonies of any type unless the embark was ENTIRELY in a Warm or Hot biome.

I'm using version 40.10 with DFHack (to use the 'colonies' command for detection), so this isn't perfect bug report data, but hopefully it helps.
(0032704)
Dwarfu   
2015-05-19 06:22   
This appears to be a crowding out issue. I embarked on a 2x2 flat piece of land that did not contain a river or brook, in a temperate conifer forest with temperate temperature. In addition to other vermin I rarely see, I AM getting honey bees. The lean towards crowding is that this game is modded and all the vermin birds were deleted as well as bumble bees. It SEEMS they are only spawning in open space (not under a tree canopy) - every colony I checked had direct access to the sky.
(0032825)
verdantsf   
2015-06-30 01:11   
(edited on: 2015-06-30 21:00)
Dwarfu might be on to something. After countless searches, I finally have honey bees in a temperate conifer forest with temperate climate. The only difference from previous searches is that the area doesn't have a brook, stream, or river.

Regarding the tree canopy effect, I happened to find a colony under a tree.
(0034205)
Dwarfu   
2015-12-26 17:04   
42.04, I have bees in a temperate biome, again in a conifer forest 2x2 flat embark without a river/stream/brook. Same mods as before, with a vastly reduced creature variation. Sky thing was a fluke of that previous embark, as I see some now under a tree. Still leaning towards a crowding effect.
(0035119)
Dame de la Licorne   
2016-05-10 11:52   
(edited on: 2016-05-10 15:33)
Using 0.42.06 (on OSX El Capitan), I genned 4 different medium-sized worlds, and embarked 20+ times using my "test" setup (which includes a hive and beekeeper, among other things). In all of those tests, I only found colonies (ants/termites/bees) in shrubland/grassland/savanna areas. The only colonies I found in forest (broadleaf/conifer) biomes were on mixed embarks with at least one tile of shrubland/grassland/savanna.

I didn't test deserts or scorching areas.

Note: I had removed ticks/mosquitoes/lice from the raws, and modded in some more surface vermin spiders and underground flora, but I don't know how much (if any) of an effect that would have, since none of the changes affect colony-forming vermin.

The post/thread here has a bit more information from other folks: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=158017.msg6990046#msg6990046 [^]
(0035154)
Toady One   
2016-05-12 15:56   
I set up various logs, and from what I could tell, this was all due to freezing winter temperatures. I made soil/soil colony creatures ignore those if they can handle the average subterranean temperature, and that was enough to get bee colonies in temperate forests.