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0008129Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Noblespublic2014-08-23 12:562018-05-25 04:28
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0008129: Positions disappear from nobles screen when expedition leader is promoted to monarch
Small world with 10000 years history.
In the first year I got a 5 undeads siege and I barricaded my dwarves.
Next spring the following message appears:
"After a polite discussion with local rivals, Bembul Singeclasped has claimed the position of king of The Dented Hammer."
Bembul was my expedition leader (and manager, bookkeeper etc.).
After that there are only the following nobles and administrator positions left:
king, militia commander, chief medical dwarf, militia captain

This is the savegame exactly after this event:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17094484/region1-spr-10000%20-%20King.zip [^]

Playing along the king works as a normal dwarf (works in workshops, hauling etc.) and makes mandates and grumbles about his rooms.
But I can't appoint any manager etc. anymore.
Additional saves:
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=9566 [^] (0.40.10, 0008192)
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=10950 [^] (0.40.24, 0008998)
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related to 0005299confirmed Footkerchief If fortress population drops to 1 child or insane dwarf, can't appoint/elect nobles when migrants arrive 
has duplicate 0008192resolved Knight Otu Promotion to king causes loss of noble positions 
has duplicate 0008268resolved Footkerchief After becoming king in first season, all other noble positions disappear. 
has duplicate 0008998resolved Knight Otu Promotion of Expedition Leader to King removes all other Noble positions 
related to 0007083confirmed Footkerchief Automatic promotion of SITE member to MONARCH causes loss of SITE positions 
Issue History
2014-08-23 12:56HopFlashNew Issue
2014-08-23 14:17HopFlashNote Added: 0029537
2014-08-23 14:42HopFlashIssue Monitored: HopFlash
2014-08-24 07:25FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0005299
2014-08-30 07:36HopFlashNote Added: 0029799
2014-08-30 13:35Knight OtuRelationship addedhas duplicate 0008192
2014-08-30 13:37Knight OtuNote Added: 0029808
2014-09-10 16:22FootkerchiefRelationship addedhas duplicate 0008268
2014-09-10 16:22FootkerchiefAssigned To => Footkerchief
2014-09-10 16:22FootkerchiefStatusnew => confirmed
2014-09-10 16:23FootkerchiefSummaryKing promotion causes loss of several administrator positions => Positions disappear from nobles screen when expedition leader is promoted to monarch
2014-09-10 18:16lethosorAdditional Information Updatedbug_revision_view_page.php?rev_id=11740#r11740
2014-12-20 13:55FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0007083
2015-06-24 09:54Knight OtuRelationship addedhas duplicate 0008998
2015-06-24 09:54Knight OtuNote Added: 0032803
2015-06-24 12:47lethosorAdditional Information Updatedbug_revision_view_page.php?rev_id=13142#r13142
2015-06-24 12:47lethosorAdditional Information Updatedbug_revision_view_page.php?rev_id=13143#r13143
2015-11-22 15:37HuntthetrollNote Added: 0033163
2015-11-22 15:38HuntthetrollNote Edited: 0033163bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0033163#r13366
2015-11-22 15:44HuntthetrollNote Edited: 0033163bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0033163#r13367
2015-11-22 15:47HuntthetrollNote Edited: 0033163bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0033163#r13368
2017-09-11 14:11TheCrazyHamsteRNote Added: 0036732
2017-09-15 17:59TheCrazyHamsteRNote Edited: 0036732bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0036732#r14830
2018-05-25 04:28crulNote Added: 0038378
2018-05-25 04:28crulNote Edited: 0038378bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0038378#r15603
2018-05-25 04:29crulNote Edited: 0038378bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0038378#r15604
2018-05-25 04:29crulNote Edited: 0038378bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0038378#r15605
2018-05-25 04:29crulNote Edited: 0038378bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0038378#r15606
2018-05-25 04:31crulNote Edited: 0038378bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0038378#r15607
2018-05-25 04:32crulNote Edited: 0038378bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0038378#r15608
2018-05-25 04:34crulNote Edited: 0038378bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0038378#r15609

2014-08-23 14:17   
Playing along to 24th Felsite 10001 and I have the missing administrator positions back again.
But something "big" happens immediately before. I made a trap way for the undeads and positioned my only fighter as last defence line (it was a very bad idea and/or implementation).
My fighter died and with that the following announcements appeared:
"Bomrek Ilidzon, Axedwarf has been found dead."
"Bembul Cudgelkingdoms has assumed the position of expedition leader of The Symmetric Axe."

Now the dialog has all positions again:
king, expedition leader, militia commander, sheriff, hammerer, manager, chief medical dwarf, broker, bookkeeper
2014-08-30 07:36   
ok...new additional information:
I put my actual militia commander as militia captain. Then militia commander position disappeared too.
Unpaused the game a little bit later one of my dwarves took the role as expedition leader and like in the comment before all positions appear again.

so this could be a potential workaround I think.
Knight Otu   
2014-08-30 13:37   
Bouchart posted a save at 0008192.
Knight Otu   
2015-06-24 09:54   
Urist McBugrep posted a 0.40.24 save at 0008998.
2015-11-22 15:37   
(edited on: 2015-11-22 15:47)
This bug happened to me in 0.40.24 as well. My militia commander declared himself king, and then the position of militia commander disappeared from my nobles screen. The [r]eplace option was also greyed out for all noble positions.

Workaround: On the military screen, I created a new, empty squad that would be led by the militia commander. I then used Dwarf Therapist to assign the new king to the squad. After committing the changes, the king was restored to the militia commander position (as well as being king), and I can appoint new militia captains once again. However, I am still unable to replace the manager, bookkeeper and broker.

Additional Note: The militia commander was also expedition leader before appointing himself king. Shortly after he became king, another dwarf became expedition leader. With that, my ability to appoint nobles was restored.

2017-09-11 14:11   
(edited on: 2017-09-15 17:59)
Appears to be fixed in v0.43.03. After my expedition leader got promoted to monarch, another dwarf from my fort was assigned as new expedition leader after a while, and then positions reappeared on the noble screen.

2018-05-25 04:28   
(edited on: 2018-05-25 04:34)
I've experimented this issue with version 0.44.10 when embarking in a civilization without king.

First year of the fortress with the first immigrant wave just arrived. Urist McExpeditionLeader was the Leader, Manager and Bookkeeper. The other only noble position appointed was the Broker.

Then our leader declared himself King and demanded a room better than the entire fort :).

At that moment the nobles screen shows only the King and the Broker and I cannot replace any of them.

I used the workaround with Dwarf Therapist told by Huntthetroll (comment 0033163) and it shows the militia commander and militia captain.

Then, as other has reported, after a while, another dwarf declared expedition leader himself and then positions reappeared on the noble screen and everything works.