0011288: Adventurers are still far more restricted in the actions they can take in combat than AI-controlled units.

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(0039797) Talvieno (reporter) 2020-02-02 08:36 edited on: 2020-02-02 08:38	I don't believe this is a bug. This falls less into the category of "bugs" and more into the realm of "opinion" and "game design debate". Very, very few games actually give the NPCs equal ability to the player. Even games that pretend to do so (XCOM for instance) give the player hidden bonuses that are never actually shown, and tweak displayed values to give the player a more exciting experience (for instance, when you have a 99% chance to miss a shot, your chance to miss is actually closer to 85%, or 5 in 6). In FPS games, the player is usually wildly overpowered - and that's okay, because in those games, you're trying to give the player a feeling of power. This really just comes down to what Toady's vision for DF is, and how powerful he wants the player to feel. Finally, I'd like to point out that adventurers in DF are able to do multi-actions - multiple actions at the same time - and NPCs are not. That's probably a lot more useful in combat than moving while talking.

(0039800) Alceris (reporter) 2020-02-02 08:49	What NPCs can't do is multiple attacks at the same time, and that's only if they don't have attacks with [ATTACK_FLAG_INDEPENDENT_MULTIATTACK] on them. They can otherwise do multiple actions at the same time better than even the player can, as they can attack any number of times in the middle of moving or talking, and they can move after firing a bolt or arrow, where if the player tries to move and their move speed isn't good, or they try to talk, or they try to use ranged attacks while the enemy is capable of reaching them, they get immediately torn apart, completely unable to defend themself.

(0039801) Goblin Cookie (reporter) 2020-02-02 09:18	It is funny how you flagged this problem as severity major when it is a minor nuisance if not a feature. At present the human player will pretty much always win a fair fight against an AI creature, because the human player has a better grasp of how to manipulate the game mechanics and the AI does not know how to counter this.

(0039803) Talvieno (reporter) 2020-02-02 09:47	Shift+A is your friend when attacking an enemy. If you just try to kill enemies by running into them, you'll die pretty quickly, but if you use Shift+A and know how to parry, you can easily win most 1 on 1 encounters.

(0041355) Alceris (reporter) 2022-12-09 00:53 edited on: 2022-12-09 00:57	You cannot do that while moving unless you have a second character you have direct control over who is doing nothing, the AI can do that without restriction, that's an example of the issue I'm describing.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2020-02-02 07:17	Alceris	New Issue
2020-02-02 08:36	Talvieno	Note Added: 0039797
2020-02-02 08:38	Talvieno	Note Edited: 0039797	View Revisions
2020-02-02 08:49	Alceris	Note Added: 0039800
2020-02-02 09:18	Goblin Cookie	Note Added: 0039801
2020-02-02 09:47	Talvieno	Note Added: 0039803
2022-12-09 00:53	Alceris	Note Added: 0041355
2022-12-09 00:53	Alceris	Note Edited: 0041355	View Revisions
2022-12-09 00:57	Alceris	Note Edited: 0041355	View Revisions

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