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IDProjectCategoryView StatusDate SubmittedLast Update
0010036Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Environmentpublic2016-10-07 03:592021-02-06 14:24
Assigned Tolethosor 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityhave not tried
PlatformPCOSWIndowsOS Version7 (64 Bit)
Product Version0.43.05 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0010036: Disproportion between thieves sizes and size of goods stolen
DescriptionI would call it something of a design oversight:
In my current game I had a Kea who stole an acacia stepladder

Well, Keas (in RL) are curious and highly intelligent ... they like to attack sheep and yes, they are known to be thieves.
But, as parrots, they surely are too small and weak, to steal a whole wooden stepladder :D

Perhaps a check should be introduced that compares a thieves size/strength with the size/weight of the item to be stolen and then cancels the theft event (or rerolls for the good stolen), if the result is too disproportionate/ridiculous
Steps To ReproduceHave a fortress in a region where Keas roam.
Keep smaller items locked away and have only large items be available for them to steal.
Sooner or later you will probably get a Kea stealing an item that should be far too large for his body size
Tags0.43.05, 64-bit, theft, wild animal
Attached Files

- Relationships
parent of 0005784resolvedFootkerchief Kea birds steal inapropriate size objects 

-  Notes
mrmagolor (reporter)
2016-10-07 05:07

I'm guessing if this is more of an oversight, either A. Toady & Threetoe are planning to handle it sometime, or B. Go to the suggestion forums/Eternal Suggestion Voting.
Proteus (reporter)
2016-10-07 09:36
edited on: 2016-10-07 09:40

I was already divided over this (whether posting it in "suggestions" or Bugtracker) before posting it here. But then I thought that, in a way it is a bug (at least if the game aims for a little bit realism on this matter ... which isn't too far of a sretch, considering that they also have different clothes sizes for different species)

Proteus (reporter)
2016-10-07 11:47
edited on: 2016-10-07 11:49

It turns out that there is one thing they love to steal even more than step ladders ... and that is wheelbarrows. The stole around 3-4 of them in the 2-3 hours I played the game now

Must surely be a sight ... a Kea in flight, with a wheelbarrow in his claws :D

Simons Mith (reporter)
2016-10-09 09:24

Wait a minute -- supposing two keas carried it together? They'd have to have it on a line, but they could use a strand of creeper. Probably held under the dorsal guiding feathers...
Proteus (reporter)
2016-10-09 12:15

True ... that Keas form criminal gangs and use more technical means in order to carry away larger stuff cannot be excluded, considering their intelligence and social behavior

eerr (reporter)
2016-10-10 11:41

Are you sure you didn't encounter the dreaded Giant Kea? They are known to frequent the same biome, especially after their brethren are slain.

Giant Keas can steal lead stepladders.
Proteus (reporter)
2016-10-10 16:37
edited on: 2016-10-10 16:47

Nope, neither were it Keamen/-women ... definitely normal Keas who stole the stepladders and wheelbarrows ...
even if I wanted to kill those Keas (which I don't want ... especially as now, that 90% of my activities are underground, the thefts of wheelbarrow and stepladders have decreased to 0) I wouldn't know how to kill thosae Keas without posting crossbowdwarves every where 24/7 (considering the Keas are airborne) :D

lethosor (manager)
2018-11-07 15:07

I'm not convinced that this isn't just an unimplemented feature, and missing features aren't bugs, but in terms of reasonably expected behavior, I can see why this and 0005784 could be considered bugs.
Blue-Maned_Hawk (reporter)
2021-02-06 14:24

Is this still an issue in the current version?

- Issue History
Date Modified Username Field Change
2016-10-07 03:59 Proteus New Issue
2016-10-07 05:07 mrmagolor Note Added: 0035955
2016-10-07 09:36 Proteus Note Added: 0035961
2016-10-07 09:40 Proteus Note Edited: 0035961 View Revisions
2016-10-07 11:47 Proteus Note Added: 0035962
2016-10-07 11:48 Proteus Note Edited: 0035962 View Revisions
2016-10-07 11:49 Proteus Note Edited: 0035962 View Revisions
2016-10-07 13:22 Proteus Tag Attached: 0.43.05
2016-10-07 13:24 Proteus Tag Attached: 64-bit
2016-10-07 13:24 Proteus Tag Attached: theft
2016-10-07 13:24 Proteus Tag Attached: wild animal
2016-10-09 09:24 Simons Mith Note Added: 0035964
2016-10-09 12:15 Proteus Note Added: 0035965
2016-10-10 11:41 eerr Note Added: 0035967
2016-10-10 16:37 Proteus Note Added: 0035968
2016-10-10 16:47 Proteus Note Edited: 0035968 View Revisions
2018-11-07 15:06 lethosor Relationship added parent of 0005784
2018-11-07 15:07 lethosor Note Added: 0038921
2018-11-07 15:07 lethosor Assigned To => lethosor
2018-11-07 15:07 lethosor Status new => acknowledged
2021-02-06 14:24 Blue-Maned_Hawk Note Added: 0040901

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