0001324: buckets full of water were used to produce lye

(0004198)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-19 01:17

Do you have free barrels for them to pour the lye into? It sounds like you already know how the lye system works, but just making sure.

(0004629)
belathus (reporter)
2010-04-22 12:20

Yeah, I do. I had a stockpile dedicated entirely to lye with an empty barrel sitting in it.

(0004637)
belathus (reporter)
2010-04-22 15:10

Well, this is highly likely to be a duplicate of issue 1236. Finally figured out why my searches weren't returning anything, so I apologize to be duplicating bug reports, again.

(0004644)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-22 15:34

Yours has extra information about how they got filled with both lye and water, so I'll leave it open as a child of 0001236. Good catch though.

(0007162)
Chthon (reporter)
2010-05-21 23:27

I can corroborate this occurance. There seems to be 2 separate bugs:
1) Buckets full of water are not properly dumped out when the water is no longer needed.
2) Buckets full of water are considered empty buckets when constructing shops and performing tasks.

I actually have an ashery shop that was made with a bucket full of 10 water. I can hit T and the first item is +willow bucket+ with the B after signifying that it's part of the building. If I open it up I can see the water as well.

(0007479)
Bryan Derksen (reporter)
2010-05-30 00:09

I just had an interesting case that's probably related. I built a well and then once it was complete I noticed that there was a crowd of thirsty dwarves around it that didn't seem to be thinning. I took a look and the well bucket was being constantly raised and lowered, raised and lowered, without spending any time at the top. Upon examination I discovered that the bucket was completely full of lye - there was no room for water in it, so when it was lowered and raised it didn't bring anything to drink.

I ordered the well dismantled and the mason took it apart while the bucket was still lowered into the water. The bucket fell into the water and was lost.

(0007480)
Bryan Derksen (reporter)
2010-05-30 00:13

Addendum; I save-scummed back to just before the well had been finished and canceled construction, causing the well's components to be scattered near the construction site. The bucket did indeed contain lye. When I ordered the well rebuilt I tried examining the bucket with the "view" command, but it didn't reveal the bucket's contents. It appears the only way to check if a bucket is safe for use in a well is to hunt it down in the stockpiles.

(0008081)
Jiri Petru (reporter)
2010-06-10 15:42

Is there anything I can do to the buckets? It seems I can't dump the water or lye from it.

(0009177)
ChickenLips (reporter)
2010-06-27 18:35

I ran into this in a particularly irritating way. The pond that was being filled kept on giving job cancellation messages for "inappropriate building." (I checked around trying to figure out what I was doing wrong with the pond, looked at how I was doing it, and was stumped; how I was doing it checked out as straightforward and in line with how you're supposed to do it.)

Anyway, every job cancellation produced an effectively ruined bucket (except for adding lye to them). I eventually atom-smashed them. But it does seem giving water to dwarves, wounded or non-wounded, leaves some portion (6-8, from what I saw) of water in the buckets, again yielding the same result.

(0010775)
zwei (reporter)
2010-07-21 02:00

Jiri Petru: I solved this by atom-smashing all buckets and stopping production of lye (which i now oder from caravans if i want soap) and making potash directly from ash.

(0016995)
troas (reporter)
2011-04-02 20:03
edited on: 2011-04-02 20:04

Still broken in 31.25. In my case, buckets used to bring water to patients were not emptied before being used to create lye.

(0018774)
behbehr (reporter)
2011-10-03 09:31

>>> "Is there anything I can do to the buckets?"
Yes, you can mark each bucket for trade, wait for your dwarves to bring them to the depot, (which will empty them from water only) and then unmark them for trade. This way, buckets with lye and water contains only lye, and are being used for soap making

(0018775)
Quietust (reporter)
2011-10-03 11:41

behbehr: for that to work, you have to forbid the water inside the buckets beforehand.

(0018782)
kwieland (reporter)
2011-10-05 06:48

I've had mixed success with forbidding the water in the buckets. Does it always work for you, Q?

(0018875)
Quietust (reporter)
2011-10-21 18:11

kwieland: yes, it always works for me.

Looking more closely, this appears to be due to the "Make Lye" job using the same job item flag as [NOT_CONTAIN_BARREL_ITEM], which forces the bucket to be "lye/milk-free" - switching it to require the bucket to be [EMPTY] would probably fix this bug.

(0019037)
Quietust (reporter)
2011-11-25 19:39
edited on: 2012-01-22 14:03

The following binary patch (for Win32 DF 0.31.25 SDL) will make the "Make Lye" job require an "empty bucket" instead of a "lye/milk-free bucket":

0x38034A : 18 00 00 00 08 -> 0C 00 04 00 00

This does not affect any other jobs.

(0019450)
Quietust (reporter)
2012-02-01 10:16

Binary patch for version 0.31.25 Linux: (untested)
60F531 : 18 00 00 00 08 -> 0C 00 04 00 00

(0019864)
Toady One (administrator)
2012-02-16 16:48

This one should be sorted out now. Thanks Quietust!

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-19 00:29	belathus	New Issue
2010-04-19 01:17	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0004198
2010-04-22 12:20	belathus	Note Added: 0004629
2010-04-22 12:54	Kennel	Tag Attached: buckets
2010-04-22 12:54	Kennel	Tag Attached: lye
2010-04-22 12:54	Kennel	Tag Attached: water
2010-04-22 15:10	belathus	Note Added: 0004637
2010-04-22 15:33	Footkerchief	Relationship added	child of 0001236
2010-04-22 15:34	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0004644
2010-05-21 23:27	Chthon	Note Added: 0007162
2010-05-30 00:09	Bryan Derksen	Note Added: 0007479
2010-05-30 00:13	Bryan Derksen	Note Added: 0007480
2010-06-10 15:42	Jiri Petru	Note Added: 0008081
2010-06-10 15:44	Jiri Petru	Issue Monitored: Jiri Petru
2010-06-27 18:35	ChickenLips	Note Added: 0009177
2010-07-21 02:00	zwei	Note Added: 0010775
2010-07-21 03:42	zwei	Issue Monitored: zwei
2010-08-02 14:09	aleander	Issue Monitored: aleander
2011-04-02 20:03	troas	Note Added: 0016995
2011-04-02 20:04	troas	Note Edited: 0016995	View Revisions
2011-04-02 20:04	troas	Issue Monitored: troas
2011-08-07 06:01	Knight Otu	Relationship added	related to 0004806
2011-09-03 08:37	salajander	Issue Monitored: salajander
2011-10-03 09:00	Telarin	Issue Monitored: Telarin
2011-10-03 09:31	behbehr	Note Added: 0018774
2011-10-03 11:41	Quietust	Note Added: 0018775
2011-10-05 06:48	kwieland	Note Added: 0018782
2011-10-05 06:58	Kon	Issue Monitored: Kon
2011-10-21 18:11	Quietust	Note Added: 0018875
2011-10-22 12:38	Kogut	Issue Monitored: Kogut
2011-11-25 19:39	Quietust	Note Added: 0019037
2011-11-25 19:54	Quietust	Tag Attached: binary patch
2012-01-22 14:03	Quietust	Note Edited: 0019037	View Revisions
2012-02-01 10:16	Quietust	Note Added: 0019450
2012-02-16 16:48	Toady One	Note Added: 0019864
2012-02-16 16:48	Toady One	Status	new => resolved
2012-02-16 16:48	Toady One	Fixed in Version	=> Next Version
2012-02-16 16:48	Toady One	Resolution	open => fixed
2012-02-16 16:48	Toady One	Assigned To	=> Toady One
2012-02-22 00:35	Kogut	Issue End Monitor: Kogut
2012-03-01 06:53	Telarin	Issue End Monitor: Telarin
2012-03-05 03:25	zwei	Issue End Monitor: zwei
2012-03-23 08:30	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	has duplicate 0001236
2012-03-23 08:30	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0003066
2014-01-15 14:49	Kirig Stonebeard II	Issue Monitored: Kirig Stonebeard II
2014-01-17 10:03	Kirig Stonebeard	Issue Monitored: Kirig Stonebeard
2014-08-13 05:11	Kon	Issue End Monitor: Kon

Notes
(0004198) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-04-19 01:17	Do you have free barrels for them to pour the lye into? It sounds like you already know how the lye system works, but just making sure.

(0004629) belathus (reporter) 2010-04-22 12:20	Yeah, I do. I had a stockpile dedicated entirely to lye with an empty barrel sitting in it.

(0004637) belathus (reporter) 2010-04-22 15:10	Well, this is highly likely to be a duplicate of issue 1236. Finally figured out why my searches weren't returning anything, so I apologize to be duplicating bug reports, again.

(0004644) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-04-22 15:34	Yours has extra information about how they got filled with both lye and water, so I'll leave it open as a child of 0001236. Good catch though.

(0007162) Chthon (reporter) 2010-05-21 23:27	I can corroborate this occurance. There seems to be 2 separate bugs: 1) Buckets full of water are not properly dumped out when the water is no longer needed. 2) Buckets full of water are considered empty buckets when constructing shops and performing tasks. I actually have an ashery shop that was made with a bucket full of 10 water. I can hit T and the first item is +willow bucket+ with the B after signifying that it's part of the building. If I open it up I can see the water as well.

(0007479) Bryan Derksen (reporter) 2010-05-30 00:09	I just had an interesting case that's probably related. I built a well and then once it was complete I noticed that there was a crowd of thirsty dwarves around it that didn't seem to be thinning. I took a look and the well bucket was being constantly raised and lowered, raised and lowered, without spending any time at the top. Upon examination I discovered that the bucket was completely full of lye - there was no room for water in it, so when it was lowered and raised it didn't bring anything to drink. I ordered the well dismantled and the mason took it apart while the bucket was still lowered into the water. The bucket fell into the water and was lost.

(0007480) Bryan Derksen (reporter) 2010-05-30 00:13	Addendum; I save-scummed back to just before the well had been finished and canceled construction, causing the well's components to be scattered near the construction site. The bucket did indeed contain lye. When I ordered the well rebuilt I tried examining the bucket with the "view" command, but it didn't reveal the bucket's contents. It appears the only way to check if a bucket is safe for use in a well is to hunt it down in the stockpiles.

(0008081) Jiri Petru (reporter) 2010-06-10 15:42	Is there anything I can do to the buckets? It seems I can't dump the water or lye from it.

(0009177) ChickenLips (reporter) 2010-06-27 18:35	I ran into this in a particularly irritating way. The pond that was being filled kept on giving job cancellation messages for "inappropriate building." (I checked around trying to figure out what I was doing wrong with the pond, looked at how I was doing it, and was stumped; how I was doing it checked out as straightforward and in line with how you're supposed to do it.) Anyway, every job cancellation produced an effectively ruined bucket (except for adding lye to them). I eventually atom-smashed them. But it does seem giving water to dwarves, wounded or non-wounded, leaves some portion (6-8, from what I saw) of water in the buckets, again yielding the same result.

(0010775) zwei (reporter) 2010-07-21 02:00	Jiri Petru: I solved this by atom-smashing all buckets and stopping production of lye (which i now oder from caravans if i want soap) and making potash directly from ash.

(0016995) troas (reporter) 2011-04-02 20:03 edited on: 2011-04-02 20:04	Still broken in 31.25. In my case, buckets used to bring water to patients were not emptied before being used to create lye.

(0018774) behbehr (reporter) 2011-10-03 09:31	>>> "Is there anything I can do to the buckets?" Yes, you can mark each bucket for trade, wait for your dwarves to bring them to the depot, (which will empty them from water only) and then unmark them for trade. This way, buckets with lye and water contains only lye, and are being used for soap making

(0018775) Quietust (reporter) 2011-10-03 11:41	behbehr: for that to work, you have to forbid the water inside the buckets beforehand.

(0018782) kwieland (reporter) 2011-10-05 06:48	I've had mixed success with forbidding the water in the buckets. Does it always work for you, Q?

(0018875) Quietust (reporter) 2011-10-21 18:11	kwieland: yes, it always works for me. Looking more closely, this appears to be due to the "Make Lye" job using the same job item flag as [NOT_CONTAIN_BARREL_ITEM], which forces the bucket to be "lye/milk-free" - switching it to require the bucket to be [EMPTY] would probably fix this bug.

(0019037) Quietust (reporter) 2011-11-25 19:39 edited on: 2012-01-22 14:03	The following binary patch (for Win32 DF 0.31.25 SDL) will make the "Make Lye" job require an "empty bucket" instead of a "lye/milk-free bucket": 0x38034A : 18 00 00 00 08 -> 0C 00 04 00 00 This does not affect any other jobs.

(0019450) Quietust (reporter) 2012-02-01 10:16	Binary patch for version 0.31.25 Linux: (untested) 60F531 : 18 00 00 00 08 -> 0C 00 04 00 00

(0019864) Toady One (administrator) 2012-02-16 16:48	This one should be sorted out now. Thanks Quietust!