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0001489Dwarf FortressItemspublic2010-04-24 06:102012-03-29 12:51
Assigned ToLogical2u 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityhave not tried
PlatformWindows 7OSOS Version
Product Version0.31.03 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0001489: Super clutter with one elephant tusk
DescriptionI have a craftsdwarf workshop which is assigned to make ivory crafts. When I checked up on it, is show the maximum clutter tag, and the task is going very slow due to the "clutter". The only thing in it is an Elephant right tusk.
Steps To ReproduceI basically told a craftdwarfs workshop to produce ivory crafts 3x form the workshop menu. If it helps, the workshop is outside and was taken by a secretive dwarf prior to assigning the task. And the craftdwarf is a competent bonecrafter.
Additional InformationI changed my init. file around, but I doubt that has anything to do with it.
Tags*CLT*, bones, clutter, crafting, workshop
Attached Files

- Relationships
duplicate of 0000231resolvedToady One Body parts from large creatures (bones, meat, leather, tusks, etc) slow workshops down due to clutter 

-  Notes
Areyar (reporter)
2010-04-24 07:25
edited on: 2010-04-24 07:28

Bodyparts from large creatures as well as their corpses just clutter up any workshop severely.
This is a neat system to simulate that butchering a large corpse takes longer, but there are some inconsistencies that need to be considered when it comes to crafting.

This report is a duplicate of several other clutter/crafting related reports.

Child of : 0000231
duplicate of: 0001238

Logical2u (manager)
2010-04-24 08:05

It's not quite the same, Areyar - Randomone is indicating that a single item - one tusk - is causing the maximum clutter.

Randomone, are you sure that there are not other pages of items in your workshop?
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-24 11:04

I suspect the clutter thing takes item size into account now.
Randomone (reporter)
2010-04-24 11:52

Logical2u: I don't think there was more than one page. Can't imagine why my dwarf would bring a full page of crap over, but you never know.

Footkerchief: Good point, but one tusk still shouldn't push it to maximum.
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-24 12:13
edited on: 2010-04-24 12:13

Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that it should.

drunken (reporter)
2010-04-24 13:09

I can confirm that it is just the tusk, in my workshop it was literally the only item there.
Myxine (reporter)
2010-04-25 12:51

A single elephant skin, skull, tusk or tooth will produce the same maximum cluttering. "Item size" isn't an explanation: elephant teeth (not tusks) weight <1... whatever unity DF uses.
smjjames (reporter)
2010-04-25 12:58

It uses kilos for weight now I believe. Then it uses volume for size or something.

If we are talking about Mammoth tusks, yea those are huge, but even a large modern day elephant tusk wouldn't take up the whole shop.

Still though, a single elephant tooth shouldn't produce much more clutter than a few craftspieces.
monk12 (reporter)
2011-03-25 13:23

I've got something similar- I butchered a horse, which naturally pushes my butchers shop to maximum clutter. Haulers took away everything except the hair, which has no stockpile ready.

However, despite the fact that there is a single unit of horse hair in the shop, my workshop is still at maximum clutter. The weight is 3- grant you, that is a hell of a lot of hair, but maximum clutter? Compare to the mason's shop, which has 20+ limestone floodgates (weight 80 each) and is barely cluttered at all.

I don't know how clutter works, but something is borked there whether it is an actual "bug" or just a design oversight.
Lav (reporter)
2011-03-26 06:57

I have the same situation: Craftsdwarf's workshop is overcluttered because of a kitten skull and three cow hooves. If you have ever seen a cow in your life, then you should know a cow hoof is roughly the same size as kitten skull.

Maybe the game takes original creature size to calculate clutter from it's byproducts?
greycat (reporter)
2011-03-27 11:07

In 0.31.24 (world genned and fort started in 0.31.23 though), I'm still seeing this. I have a dwarf spinning thread from a single Yak Cow hair in a Farmer's Workshop, and it's showing pink **CLT** on the workshop. Just one hair -- nothing else is in the workshop.

Similarly, any job involving the yak's bones, hooves, etc. over in the craftdwarf shop is max cluttered. In those cases, there's often a small stack of the hooves or bones, but if the hair is any indicator, that probably wouldn't matter.
DarthCloakedDwarf (reporter)
2011-03-28 20:10
edited on: 2011-04-02 22:03

@Footkerchief: "I suspect the clutter thing takes item size into account now."

Quite a ways back, I think it was one of my very first 2010 forts (certainly no later than .04), a couple of whales kindly beached themselves and were summarily hauled to my butcher's shop (though it took a long time for them to get there). The moment the whale corpse entered the shop, it was pink CLT.

I mean, completely justified for an entire whale carcass, but I definitely think clutter takes item size into account.

Drazinononda (reporter)
2011-03-29 09:43

I can confirm that it happens with Yak products also. My butcher's shop, kitchen and craftsdwarf's workshop are all cluttered, the latter with only a single skull.
Logical2u (manager)
2011-04-07 12:09

Coalescing this one into 0000231 for now.

- Issue History
Date Modified Username Field Change
2010-04-24 06:10 Randomone New Issue
2010-04-24 06:11 Randomone Tag Attached: bones
2010-04-24 06:11 Randomone Tag Attached: crafting
2010-04-24 06:11 Randomone Tag Attached: workshop
2010-04-24 06:11 Randomone Tag Attached: clutter
2010-04-24 07:20 Areyar Tag Attached: *CLT*
2010-04-24 07:25 Areyar Note Added: 0004879
2010-04-24 07:26 Areyar Note Edited: 0004879 View Revisions
2010-04-24 07:27 Areyar Note Edited: 0004879 View Revisions
2010-04-24 07:28 Areyar Note Edited: 0004879 View Revisions
2010-04-24 08:05 Logical2u Note Added: 0004884
2010-04-24 11:03 Footkerchief Relationship added child of 0000231
2010-04-24 11:04 Footkerchief Note Added: 0004893
2010-04-24 11:52 Randomone Note Added: 0004905
2010-04-24 12:13 Footkerchief Note Added: 0004908
2010-04-24 12:13 Footkerchief Note Edited: 0004908 View Revisions
2010-04-24 13:09 drunken Note Added: 0004914
2010-04-25 12:51 Myxine Note Added: 0005022
2010-04-25 12:58 smjjames Note Added: 0005023
2010-04-28 07:44 Khym Chanur Issue Monitored: Khym Chanur
2011-03-25 13:23 monk12 Note Added: 0016590
2011-03-25 13:24 monk12 Issue Monitored: monk12
2011-03-26 06:57 Lav Note Added: 0016635
2011-03-27 11:07 greycat Note Added: 0016680
2011-03-28 20:10 DarthCloakedDwarf Note Added: 0016752
2011-03-29 09:43 Drazinononda Note Added: 0016765
2011-03-29 16:20 RossM Issue Monitored: RossM
2011-04-02 22:03 DarthCloakedDwarf Note Edited: 0016752 View Revisions
2011-04-07 12:09 Logical2u Note Added: 0017172
2011-04-07 12:09 Logical2u Relationship replaced duplicate of 0000231
2011-04-07 12:09 Logical2u Status new => resolved
2011-04-07 12:09 Logical2u Resolution open => duplicate
2011-04-07 12:09 Logical2u Assigned To => Logical2u
2011-04-09 21:53 Khym Chanur Issue End Monitor: Khym Chanur
2012-03-29 12:51 monk12 Issue End Monitor: monk12

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