0003983: Can't make mead -- job can't find honey when it's stockpiled?

(0015204)
Quietust (reporter)
2011-02-17 13:00
edited on: 2011-02-17 13:01

Are you certain you have honey bee honey and not bumblebee honey? (if it's bumblebee honey, then 0004003 is effectively a duplicate of this, albeit with much more details)

(0015214)
GauHelldragon (reporter)
2011-02-17 15:50
edited on: 2011-02-17 15:51

I am certain that it is "Honey bee honey".

Has anyone else had success with making mead? Just what exactly is the "Honey-containing item" supposed to be anyway, if 'Unrotten honey bee honey" is the honey?

(0015255)
Knight Otu (manager)
2011-02-18 14:46

A quick test suggests that the problem lies with jugs not being recognized as valid containers. The similar reaction of making soap from oil does not work for me either when I have rock nut oil in jugs and lye in buckets, while the reaction to create soap from tallow does work. All three reactions use the following block to refer to the liquid container(s) in question:

    [REAGENT:X container:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
        [CONTAINS:X]
        [PRESERVE_REAGENT]
        [DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]
Thus, since one type of container works while the other does, the container should be at fault. I have another test in mind, though...

(0015257)
Knight Otu (manager)
2011-02-18 15:06
edited on: 2011-02-18 15:11

<s>... yes, adding the [HAS_TOOL_USE:LIQUID_CONTAINER] tag to the jug block does allow me to queue up making mead. I haven't seen if it results in the correct alcohol yet, but I'm confident. So, as a quick fix, if you have reason to expect your liquid to be in a jug or pot, use the tool use tag on that container. Probably do not use it if you expect it in a barrel or bucket. Whether the quick fix should be the actual fix though...</s>

Or not. :( Got the Needs liquid container item error message.

(0015307)
Toady One (administrator)
2011-02-20 04:17

I'm not having trouble making mead. I'll need a save on this -- make sure you have an empty barrel sitting around and the honey bee honey in a jug. I used a wooden jug, if it ends up being a material issue.

(0015317)
Footkerchief (manager)
2011-02-20 09:05

Reminder sent to: GauHelldragon

GauHelldragon, if you have a save demonstrating this problem, please upload it to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] (that goes for all reports)

(0015368)
Footkerchief (manager)
2011-02-21 13:57
edited on: 2011-02-21 13:58

Reminder sent to: Knight Otu

Knight Otu, are you able to provide a save? I reopened this on the off chance that you might still have one.

(0015369)
Knight Otu (manager)
2011-02-21 14:18

My saves are here: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3821 [^]

GauHelldragon also uploaded saves here: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3825 [^] and here: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3823 [^]

(0015372)
SirPenguin (reporter)
2011-02-21 15:06

I've definitely had this happen to me before. I just now embarked on a site with the sole intention of rushing to mead, and it worked. So I have no idea what happened.

I'll try and see if I can get it to happen again

(0015374)
Footkerchief (manager)
2011-02-21 15:16

Reminder sent to: Toady One

Toady, I reopened this report because people have uploaded saves as requested.

(0015379)
GauHelldragon (reporter)
2011-02-21 18:12
edited on: 2011-02-21 18:12

I think we figured out what the problem is. The dwarfs weren't able to use the jugs of honey when they are stockpiled. The same goes with oil.

(0015381)
Footkerchief (manager)
2011-02-21 18:51

Most likely the same root cause as 0004043, then.

(0015389)
Mazonas (reporter)
2011-02-22 02:57

I've tried editing the RAWS as above in both the save and the general raws. I sometimes have the game save load with mead brewable, but as soon as a dwarf is allocated to the job I get the announcement that he can't do the job. Then the job option is marked red in the workshop again.

Definitely honey bee honey. Definitely have jugs, pots, barrels, honey, dwarfs with the job activated.

(0015436)
Toady One (administrator)
2011-02-23 23:33

I guess this is the same problem as 0003974, where they use all sorts of tools as barrels in food stockpiles. They should all be sorted out as once when I do that one.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2011-02-16 22:47	GauHelldragon	New Issue
2011-02-16 22:48	GauHelldragon	Tag Attached: bees
2011-02-16 22:48	GauHelldragon	Tag Attached: mead
2011-02-17 12:52	Quietust	Note Added: 0015202
2011-02-17 12:52	Quietust	Note Deleted: 0015202
2011-02-17 13:00	Quietust	Note Added: 0015204
2011-02-17 13:01	Quietust	Note Edited: 0015204	View Revisions
2011-02-17 15:50	GauHelldragon	Note Added: 0015214
2011-02-17 15:51	GauHelldragon	Note Edited: 0015214	View Revisions
2011-02-17 20:35	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0004003
2011-02-18 14:46	Knight Otu	Note Added: 0015255
2011-02-18 15:06	Knight Otu	Note Added: 0015257
2011-02-18 15:09	Knight Otu	Note Edited: 0015257	View Revisions
2011-02-18 15:11	Knight Otu	Note Edited: 0015257	View Revisions
2011-02-20 04:17	Toady One	Note Added: 0015307
2011-02-20 04:17	Toady One	Status	new => resolved
2011-02-20 04:17	Toady One	Fixed in Version	=> 0.31.20
2011-02-20 04:17	Toady One	Resolution	open => unable to reproduce
2011-02-20 04:17	Toady One	Assigned To	=> Toady One
2011-02-20 07:00	Knight Otu	Tag Attached: Saves available
2011-02-20 09:05	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0015317
2011-02-20 23:17	GauHelldragon	Tag Attached: jugs
2011-02-21 13:56	Footkerchief	Status	resolved => acknowledged
2011-02-21 13:57	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: Knight Otu
2011-02-21 13:57	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0015368
2011-02-21 13:57	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: AWAITING UPDATE
2011-02-21 13:58	Footkerchief	Note Edited: 0015368	View Revisions
2011-02-21 14:18	Knight Otu	Note Added: 0015369
2011-02-21 15:06	SirPenguin	Note Added: 0015372
2011-02-21 15:16	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0015374
2011-02-21 15:17	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: Footkerchief
2011-02-21 15:17	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0015375
2011-02-21 15:18	Footkerchief	Note Deleted: 0015375
2011-02-21 15:19	Footkerchief	Tag Detached: AWAITING UPDATE
2011-02-21 15:19	Footkerchief	Tag Detached: Saves available
2011-02-21 18:12	GauHelldragon	Note Added: 0015379
2011-02-21 18:12	GauHelldragon	Note Edited: 0015379	View Revisions
2011-02-21 18:12	GauHelldragon	Note Edited: 0015379	View Revisions
2011-02-21 18:51	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0004043
2011-02-21 18:51	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0015381
2011-02-21 19:10	Footkerchief	Summary	Can't Make mead => Can't make mead -- job can't find honey when it's stockpiled?
2011-02-22 02:57	Mazonas	Note Added: 0015389
2011-02-23 12:42	Khym Chanur	Issue Monitored: Khym Chanur
2011-02-23 23:31	Toady One	Relationship replaced	related to 0004043
2011-02-23 23:32	Toady One	Relationship added	child of 0003974
2011-02-23 23:33	Toady One	Note Added: 0015436
2011-02-26 15:53	Toady One	Status	acknowledged => resolved
2011-02-26 15:53	Toady One	Resolution	unable to reproduce => fixed
2011-03-01 14:31	Knight Otu	Issue End Monitor: Knight Otu
2011-03-03 13:49	Khym Chanur	Issue End Monitor: Khym Chanur

Notes
(0015204) Quietust (reporter) 2011-02-17 13:00 edited on: 2011-02-17 13:01	Are you certain you have honey bee honey and not bumblebee honey? (if it's bumblebee honey, then 0004003 is effectively a duplicate of this, albeit with much more details)

(0015214) GauHelldragon (reporter) 2011-02-17 15:50 edited on: 2011-02-17 15:51	I am certain that it is "Honey bee honey". Has anyone else had success with making mead? Just what exactly is the "Honey-containing item" supposed to be anyway, if 'Unrotten honey bee honey" is the honey?

(0015255) Knight Otu (manager) 2011-02-18 14:46	A quick test suggests that the problem lies with jugs not being recognized as valid containers. The similar reaction of making soap from oil does not work for me either when I have rock nut oil in jugs and lye in buckets, while the reaction to create soap from tallow does work. All three reactions use the following block to refer to the liquid container(s) in question: [REAGENT:X container:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE] [CONTAINS:X] [PRESERVE_REAGENT] [DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT] Thus, since one type of container works while the other does, the container should be at fault. I have another test in mind, though...

(0015257) Knight Otu (manager) 2011-02-18 15:06 edited on: 2011-02-18 15:11	<s>... yes, adding the [HAS_TOOL_USE:LIQUID_CONTAINER] tag to the jug block does allow me to queue up making mead. I haven't seen if it results in the correct alcohol yet, but I'm confident. So, as a quick fix, if you have reason to expect your liquid to be in a jug or pot, use the tool use tag on that container. Probably do not use it if you expect it in a barrel or bucket. Whether the quick fix should be the actual fix though...</s> Or not. :( Got the Needs liquid container item error message.

(0015307) Toady One (administrator) 2011-02-20 04:17	I'm not having trouble making mead. I'll need a save on this -- make sure you have an empty barrel sitting around and the honey bee honey in a jug. I used a wooden jug, if it ends up being a material issue.

(0015317) Footkerchief (manager) 2011-02-20 09:05	Reminder sent to: GauHelldragon GauHelldragon, if you have a save demonstrating this problem, please upload it to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] (that goes for all reports)

(0015368) Footkerchief (manager) 2011-02-21 13:57 edited on: 2011-02-21 13:58	Reminder sent to: Knight Otu Knight Otu, are you able to provide a save? I reopened this on the off chance that you might still have one.

(0015369) Knight Otu (manager) 2011-02-21 14:18	My saves are here: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3821 [^] GauHelldragon also uploaded saves here: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3825 [^] and here: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3823 [^]

(0015372) SirPenguin (reporter) 2011-02-21 15:06	I've definitely had this happen to me before. I just now embarked on a site with the sole intention of rushing to mead, and it worked. So I have no idea what happened. I'll try and see if I can get it to happen again

(0015374) Footkerchief (manager) 2011-02-21 15:16	Reminder sent to: Toady One Toady, I reopened this report because people have uploaded saves as requested.

(0015379) GauHelldragon (reporter) 2011-02-21 18:12 edited on: 2011-02-21 18:12	I think we figured out what the problem is. The dwarfs weren't able to use the jugs of honey when they are stockpiled. The same goes with oil.

(0015381) Footkerchief (manager) 2011-02-21 18:51	Most likely the same root cause as 0004043, then.

(0015389) Mazonas (reporter) 2011-02-22 02:57	I've tried editing the RAWS as above in both the save and the general raws. I sometimes have the game save load with mead brewable, but as soon as a dwarf is allocated to the job I get the announcement that he can't do the job. Then the job option is marked red in the workshop again. Definitely honey bee honey. Definitely have jugs, pots, barrels, honey, dwarfs with the job activated.

(0015436) Toady One (administrator) 2011-02-23 23:33	I guess this is the same problem as 0003974, where they use all sorts of tools as barrels in food stockpiles. They should all be sorted out as once when I do that one.