0000774: if a new weapon of a type used by a training squad is crafted, all sqaud members drop thier weapons

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(0001949) DoctorZuber (reporter) 2010-04-07 22:23	rofl! This I have to see... brb while I verify this

(0001950) derigo (reporter) 2010-04-07 22:25	yes producing shields has the same effect. it should also be noted that I have a fully functional Arsenal Dwarf, who is always free to do his duty.

(0001956) DoctorZuber (reporter) 2010-04-07 22:59 edited on: 2010-04-07 23:15	ROFL. alright, it took a bit of arguing to get through step 1 but yes, I can confirm this. tested this on a new map with seven novice woodcutter/axedwarves. Once I managed to get them all properly outfitted with wooden axes comedy ensues. ;) This bug is my new favorite! note, this effect did not begin to happen until all six of the dwarves in training were equipped with training axes. Before this point they behave more rationally. and verified for wooden bucklers as well. Ought to do another test and see if this applies weapons other than the training weapons. Should be able to embark with enough raw materials to validate this test easily enough.

(0002015) Another (reporter) 2010-04-08 06:53	My thought on this is that there is code that is responsible for weapon upgrades and it is "upgrading" a little bit too aggressively. I mean that when everyone have certain equipment position filled and one more becomes available - each of the dwarves "upgrades" his equipment to a new _better or same_ item as his previous one (with higher position in the squad probably getting priority in choosing the "best" of N equal items). A way to test this would be to produce one or two basic quality weapons in the following order: wood->copper->bronze->iron->steel and watch how your squad of 3-4 dwarves upgrades their weapons. I guess that they would always settle on descending order by material within squad. P.S. Can different sorts of wood have different effective quality for a weapon? The have same economic cost but different densities and strengths.

(0002046) Rafal99 (reporter) 2010-04-08 08:43	Well I have something totally opposite in my game, they never drop their weapons or shields, even when upgrading to new ones, so they end up with tons of stuff in their hands while others have none...

(0002049) DoctorZuber (reporter) 2010-04-08 08:55 edited on: 2010-04-08 08:58	>>> Another -- Weapon quality and material quality is an interesting question but I don't really think it's related, at least not directly. If this was a quality issue I would think they would occasionally not swap, but that's just not the case. - When they make this swap, they're going to the stockpile, not to the workshop where the new item was just created. - They make the swap every time a new weapon is created without fail Verified for -- wooden sword, wooden axe, wooden buckler Consider testing this for other weapons Consider testing this effect for armor as well Notes -- To reproduce this all members of the squad must be equipped with the item first, if even one is not yet equipped this behavior won't start yet.

(0002098) derigo (reporter) 2010-04-08 11:08	it worked for iron shields as well. And since the smithy was MILES away down with the HFS, it was pretty obvious none of them were going anywhere near the newly created shields. They were just going over to the nearby stockpile. PS srsly? this is you're new favorite bug? Mine is, "Injured baby cancels clean self: Too Insane."

(0007918) Toady One (administrator) 2010-06-08 02:21	There are two issues here. One, which is a bug I've fixed now for 0.31.06, is that they would trade out their equipment for any newly made item of equal value. That is very bad, of course, and leads to constant shirking of duties. The other matter is just the frequency of the updates. People will want their dwarves with the best possible equipment and they also will want them to not bother with minor upgrades if it means wandering off. This is more subtle and also a lesser non-bug issue, so I'm going to mark this report as resolved and note the other issue down for consideration as a rebalance for whenever it comes up.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-07 22:21	derigo	New Issue
2010-04-07 22:23	DoctorZuber	Note Added: 0001949
2010-04-07 22:25	derigo	Note Added: 0001950
2010-04-07 22:59	DoctorZuber	Note Added: 0001956
2010-04-07 23:01	DoctorZuber	Note Edited: 0001956	View Revisions
2010-04-07 23:15	DoctorZuber	Note Edited: 0001956	View Revisions
2010-04-08 00:24	Footkerchief	Relationship added	child of 0000535
2010-04-08 06:53	Another	Note Added: 0002015
2010-04-08 08:43	Rafal99	Note Added: 0002046
2010-04-08 08:55	DoctorZuber	Note Added: 0002049
2010-04-08 08:55	DoctorZuber	Tag Attached: Equipment
2010-04-08 08:55	DoctorZuber	Tag Attached: schedule
2010-04-08 08:55	DoctorZuber	Tag Attached: squad
2010-04-08 08:55	DoctorZuber	Tag Attached: squads
2010-04-08 08:58	DoctorZuber	Note Edited: 0002049	View Revisions
2010-04-08 11:08	derigo	Note Added: 0002098
2010-05-12 06:09	Skandraken	Issue Monitored: Skandraken
2010-06-08 02:21	Toady One	Note Added: 0007918
2010-06-08 02:21	Toady One	Status	new => resolved
2010-06-08 02:21	Toady One	Fixed in Version	=> 0.31.06
2010-06-08 02:21	Toady One	Resolution	open => fixed
2010-06-08 02:21	Toady One	Assigned To	=> Toady One
2010-06-09 06:45	Toady One	Status	resolved => closed
2010-06-09 07:56	Footkerchief	Status	closed => resolved