0011424: Adding positions to dark-pits civilization causes crashes.

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(0040230) DarklingArcher (reporter) 2020-02-27 10:24	Duplicate of 0006941

(0040231) FantasticDorf (reporter) 2020-02-27 10:57	Not actually its just pertaining specifically to this version @DarklingArcher but it may be a parent report for the long-standing issues which have finally culminated.

(0040232) FantasticDorf (reporter) 2020-02-27 11:00 edited on: 2020-02-27 11:13	You can run a DARK_FORTRESS modded embark with [SITE_CONTROLLABLE] and successful world generation if you adhere to culling all of your positions that are not offsite through [APPOINT_BY:] or [REPLACED_BY:] position arguements. With no nobles your only opportunity would be to obtain a colony agreement to ensure a land owner comes to you capable of appointing, but of course the representative has nobody to recieve them with [RECIEVE_DIPLOMATS]. With and without [SITE_CONTROLLABLE] all offmap nobles like a [MONARCH]/([CUSTOM_LAW_MAKER), [CUSTOM_MILITARY_STRATEGY](hardcoded position by default, goblin general) and a custom land-owner will function normally and world generate without crashes. It is hard to follow but research into the matter was made here on the forums (( http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=175747.0 [^] ))

(0040233) FantasticDorf (reporter) 2020-02-27 11:06 edited on: 2020-02-27 11:14	More information on the precise way the [APPOINT_BY:] and [REPLACED_BY:] works can also be found on the DFWiki's specialised section, explaining the culling behaviour. [ELECTED] and [REQUIRES_POPULATION:<num>] activated spontaneous nobles will not work, as the link also details. (( http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Position_token#Why_Won.27t_My_Positions_Appear.3F [^] ))

(0040249) Goblin Cookie (reporter) 2020-02-28 05:16	@DarklingArcher. This is a new development, previously those positions worked fine provided that only the top law-giver was [CHAT_WORTHY]. Now it seems that all positions that are not generated positions cause crashes, though not always as reliably as the old situation.

(0040275) FantasticDorf (reporter) 2020-03-01 03:38	Still present in 47.04, though players are having mixed reports of when they mod in dark_fortress sites sometimes single defined [CREATURE:] entries will crash, which is resolved when they put another creature into another entity. This is a problem on top of the existing one rather than a replacement for the base issue behaviour. (( http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=175790.msg8098697#msg8098697 [^] )) Since the release is still fresh, people are trying to pin down the causation but i have experienced no major change in my own modding with the culling & hardcoded offsite noble approach. I can still generate worlds and embark with no site nobles culled entirely and a full cabinet of offsite nobles.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2020-02-27 08:02	Goblin Cookie	New Issue
2020-02-27 10:24	DarklingArcher	Note Added: 0040230
2020-02-27 10:57	FantasticDorf	Note Added: 0040231
2020-02-27 11:00	FantasticDorf	Note Added: 0040232
2020-02-27 11:06	FantasticDorf	Note Added: 0040233
2020-02-27 11:13	FantasticDorf	Note Edited: 0040232	View Revisions
2020-02-27 11:14	FantasticDorf	Note Edited: 0040233	View Revisions
2020-02-28 05:16	Goblin Cookie	Note Added: 0040249
2020-03-01 03:38	FantasticDorf	Note Added: 0040275

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