0003257: Embarking on both a good and evil biome with same savagery prevents evil creatures from spawning

(0012766)
kregoth1 (reporter)
2010-09-17 12:42

I have gone and tested this on several other embarks and it seems not matter how much of the terrifying biome is encompassing the embark sight if there is anything that is not evil it cancels out the evil biome.

(0012767)
kregoth1 (reporter)
2010-09-17 12:57

Almost forgot I have no mods installed the only thing different then vanilla is ironside graphic set I am going to attempt and see if a slandered vanilla version will cause this as well.

(0012769)
kregoth1 (reporter)
2010-09-17 13:29
edited on: 2010-09-17 15:40

Ok did another few embark test on standard install of .12 and .13 and it appears to occur as well. The only way i have seen the evil biome take effect is if it the only biome you embark in. even if its one tile of untamed wilds then the whole embark will be untamed wilds and not evil.

I also tested this on grassland and the harpies and ogre's are spawning but still nothing undead seems to appear.

(0012834)
vadia (reporter)
2010-09-20 02:59

I also noted this.

(0012895)
kregoth1 (reporter)
2010-09-22 11:47
edited on: 2010-09-22 11:48

I decided to do a few more test and found out in order for the 2 biomes to not clash they must have different savagery.

example:
Haunted forest and Serene Forest
Terrifying shrubland and wilderness shrubland.

The respected elements of evil and good spawnable creatures will be intact and work as intended, as well as any plants, but if they have the same savagery like haunted and mirthful Then the biomes will clash and the Undead portion of evil will no longer take effect.

So I believe this bug lies heavily on 2 biomes of the same savagery.

(0013255)
vadia (reporter)
2010-10-08 05:18

I've been successfully getting both biomes in .16; has this been fixed?

(0014219)
kregoth1 (reporter)
2010-11-25 20:03

I have tried this in the newest released version of Dwarf Fortress 31.18 and this is STILL occurring.

Again this only reproduces when Embarking on two biomes of the same savagery.

Generate a World and attempt to embark on a double biome area. Make sure they are the same savagery and one is Evil. After embarking note the wildlife and plant life, NONE of the plants are dead or undead, and neither are the animals. You will still get werewolves and giant eagles and whatnot but there is nothing undead.

I would love to see something done with this as this has angered me many times when i see the awesome mixed biomes only to realize I will never see anything undead.

(0014510)
dree12 (reporter)
2010-12-10 18:24

Can we have the tags fixed please? It seems it was fixed twice, and is Undeath really nessesary?

(0024352)
Footkerchief (manager)
2014-01-26 08:20

Reminder sent to: dree12, kregoth1

Is this bug still present in the latest release?

(0024530)
kregoth1 (reporter)
2014-02-17 14:58
edited on: 2014-02-17 16:01

Alright so did a quick test and have a save file to test this.

So it seems the plants are being properly produced, but depending on what Biome is the largest in the embarking area changes what creatures you see.

I haven't gotten a chance to test further, but I am wondering if the creatures are the only thing that should be looked at. as it seems everything else is working as intended.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzSqIHeE8TRGVUhmNUNxelhYSWM/edit?usp=sharing [^]

(0024531)
kregoth1 (reporter)
2014-02-17 16:09

So that it gets looked at correctly. can we change this
0003257: Good and evil biomes clash

into this

0003257: Same Savagery issues

or perhaps I should make a new one?

(0024532)
Footkerchief (manager)
2014-02-17 20:05

How's the new title?

(0024618)
kregoth1 (reporter)
2014-03-24 14:37
edited on: 2014-03-24 14:38

I can't seem to figure out how to edit the title, could a mod do it?

Also sorry for late reply,forgot about this :P

(0024619)
Footkerchief (manager)
2014-03-24 21:16

I already changed it to the most useful title I could think of.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-09-16 22:53	kregoth1	New Issue
2010-09-17 12:42	kregoth1	Note Added: 0012766
2010-09-17 12:57	kregoth1	Note Added: 0012767
2010-09-17 13:29	kregoth1	Note Added: 0012769
2010-09-17 15:40	kregoth1	Note Edited: 0012769	View Revisions
2010-09-20 02:59	vadia	Note Added: 0012834
2010-09-22 11:47	kregoth1	Note Added: 0012895
2010-09-22 11:48	kregoth1	Note Edited: 0012895	View Revisions
2010-09-22 12:43	kregoth1	Tag Attached: 0.31.12
2010-09-22 12:43	kregoth1	Tag Attached: skeletons
2010-09-22 12:43	kregoth1	Tag Attached: undead
2010-09-22 12:43	kregoth1	Tag Attached: Undeath
2010-09-25 07:15	Logical2u	Relationship added	related to 0003233
2010-09-25 13:08	Hieronymous Alloy	Issue Monitored: Hieronymous Alloy
2010-10-08 05:18	vadia	Note Added: 0013255
2010-10-08 05:18	vadia	Tag Attached: Fixed in 0.31.16?
2010-10-08 07:49	vadia	Issue Monitored: vadia
2010-10-14 08:48	Khym Chanur	Issue Monitored: Khym Chanur
2010-11-25 20:03	kregoth1	Note Added: 0014219
2010-11-25 20:06	kregoth1	Issue Monitored: kregoth1
2010-12-10 13:21	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: Fixed in 0.31.19?
2010-12-10 18:24	dree12	Note Added: 0014510
2010-12-11 08:52	Dwarfu	Tag Detached: Fixed in 0.31.16?
2014-01-26 08:20	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: dree12
2014-01-26 08:20	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0024352
2014-01-26 08:20	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: AWAITING UPDATE
2014-01-26 08:22	Footkerchief	Tag Detached: Fixed in 0.31.19?
2014-01-26 10:00	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0006162
2014-02-17 14:54	kregoth1	Tag Detached: skeletons
2014-02-17 14:54	kregoth1	Tag Detached: undead
2014-02-17 14:54	kregoth1	Tag Detached: Undeath
2014-02-17 14:55	kregoth1	Tag Attached: 0.34.11
2014-02-17 14:55	kregoth1	Tag Attached: Same Savagery
2014-02-17 14:56	kregoth1	Tag Attached: Biomes
2014-02-17 14:58	kregoth1	Note Added: 0024530
2014-02-17 16:01	kregoth1	Note Edited: 0024530	View Revisions
2014-02-17 16:07	kregoth1	Tag Attached: creatures
2014-02-17 16:07	kregoth1	Issue End Monitor: kregoth1
2014-02-17 16:07	kregoth1	Issue Monitored: kregoth1
2014-02-17 16:09	kregoth1	Note Added: 0024531
2014-02-17 20:01	Footkerchief	Summary	Good and evil biomes clash => Good and evil biomes clash when they have the same savagery
2014-02-17 20:02	Footkerchief	Tag Detached: Same Savagery
2014-02-17 20:02	Footkerchief	Tag Detached: Biomes
2014-02-17 20:02	Footkerchief	Tag Detached: creatures
2014-02-17 20:04	Footkerchief	Summary	Good and evil biomes clash when they have the same savagery => Embarking on both a good and evil biome with same savagery prevents evil creatures from spawning
2014-02-17 20:05	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0024532
2014-02-17 20:06	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	has duplicate 0003233
2014-02-17 20:08	Footkerchief	Tag Detached: AWAITING UPDATE
2014-02-19 06:52	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2014-02-19 06:52	Footkerchief	Status	new => acknowledged
2014-03-24 14:37	kregoth1	Note Added: 0024618
2014-03-24 14:38	kregoth1	Note Edited: 0024618	View Revisions
2014-03-24 21:16	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0024619

Notes
(0012766) kregoth1 (reporter) 2010-09-17 12:42	I have gone and tested this on several other embarks and it seems not matter how much of the terrifying biome is encompassing the embark sight if there is anything that is not evil it cancels out the evil biome.

(0012767) kregoth1 (reporter) 2010-09-17 12:57	Almost forgot I have no mods installed the only thing different then vanilla is ironside graphic set I am going to attempt and see if a slandered vanilla version will cause this as well.

(0012769) kregoth1 (reporter) 2010-09-17 13:29 edited on: 2010-09-17 15:40	Ok did another few embark test on standard install of .12 and .13 and it appears to occur as well. The only way i have seen the evil biome take effect is if it the only biome you embark in. even if its one tile of untamed wilds then the whole embark will be untamed wilds and not evil. I also tested this on grassland and the harpies and ogre's are spawning but still nothing undead seems to appear.

(0012834) vadia (reporter) 2010-09-20 02:59	I also noted this.

(0012895) kregoth1 (reporter) 2010-09-22 11:47 edited on: 2010-09-22 11:48	I decided to do a few more test and found out in order for the 2 biomes to not clash they must have different savagery. example: Haunted forest and Serene Forest Terrifying shrubland and wilderness shrubland. The respected elements of evil and good spawnable creatures will be intact and work as intended, as well as any plants, but if they have the same savagery like haunted and mirthful Then the biomes will clash and the Undead portion of evil will no longer take effect. So I believe this bug lies heavily on 2 biomes of the same savagery.

(0013255) vadia (reporter) 2010-10-08 05:18	I've been successfully getting both biomes in .16; has this been fixed?

(0014219) kregoth1 (reporter) 2010-11-25 20:03	I have tried this in the newest released version of Dwarf Fortress 31.18 and this is STILL occurring. Again this only reproduces when Embarking on two biomes of the same savagery. Generate a World and attempt to embark on a double biome area. Make sure they are the same savagery and one is Evil. After embarking note the wildlife and plant life, NONE of the plants are dead or undead, and neither are the animals. You will still get werewolves and giant eagles and whatnot but there is nothing undead. I would love to see something done with this as this has angered me many times when i see the awesome mixed biomes only to realize I will never see anything undead.

(0014510) dree12 (reporter) 2010-12-10 18:24	Can we have the tags fixed please? It seems it was fixed twice, and is Undeath really nessesary?

(0024352) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-01-26 08:20	Reminder sent to: dree12, kregoth1 Is this bug still present in the latest release?

(0024530) kregoth1 (reporter) 2014-02-17 14:58 edited on: 2014-02-17 16:01	Alright so did a quick test and have a save file to test this. So it seems the plants are being properly produced, but depending on what Biome is the largest in the embarking area changes what creatures you see. I haven't gotten a chance to test further, but I am wondering if the creatures are the only thing that should be looked at. as it seems everything else is working as intended. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzSqIHeE8TRGVUhmNUNxelhYSWM/edit?usp=sharing [^]

(0024531) kregoth1 (reporter) 2014-02-17 16:09	So that it gets looked at correctly. can we change this 0003257: Good and evil biomes clash into this 0003257: Same Savagery issues or perhaps I should make a new one?

(0024532) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-02-17 20:05	How's the new title?

(0024618) kregoth1 (reporter) 2014-03-24 14:37 edited on: 2014-03-24 14:38	I can't seem to figure out how to edit the title, could a mod do it? Also sorry for late reply,forgot about this :P

(0024619) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-03-24 21:16	I already changed it to the most useful title I could think of.