0002188: Adventurers can be simultaneously starving and too full (of either water or food) to eat

(0008569)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-06-16 13:21
edited on: 2010-06-16 13:22

Your adventurer is simultaneously starving and too full? Do you keep starving if you wait a while?

(0008571)
smjjames (reporter)
2010-06-16 13:30

I've gotten this in arena mode as well.

(0008774)
toybasher (reporter)
2010-06-20 09:17

To footkercheif, Yes it does keep starving me and I can starve to death if I cant digest whatever is occupying my gut in time.

(0008777)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-06-20 09:22

In that case, you should probably upload a save demonstrating this problem. http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0008782)
toybasher (reporter)
2010-06-20 09:38

Ok! Will do once I can bring myself to install the new version.

(0009222)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-06-28 07:47

Any updates?

(0009253)
toybasher (reporter)
2010-06-28 10:31

I will try to do this one soon, I will upload a save real soon.

Getting caught of in dwarf mode (Annoying miltiery bugs...grr)

(0009254)
toybasher (reporter)
2010-06-28 10:48
edited on: 2010-06-28 10:49

http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2592 [^]

He is starving and yet he still wont eat,

(0009274)
toybasher (reporter)
2010-06-28 15:46

By the way, how is this intentional? (No offense intended)

(0009277)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-06-28 16:50

It's possibly realistic. Having food in your belly doesn't mean that your body has digested it, or that the nutrients have entered your bloodstream.

(0009328)
toybasher (reporter)
2010-06-29 15:11

However all of the time eating food makes the starving/hungry icon go away instantly.

(0009997)
Untelligent (reporter)
2010-07-11 19:00
edited on: 2010-07-11 19:02

I'll add my own report here, since this just happened to me in 31.10.

Went hunting in the mountains. Fell asleep by a brook. Woke up hungry and thirsty. Drank until I couldn't, no longery thirsty but still hungry. Tried to eat some meat. Got a "too full" message, despite being hungry. Wasn't starving though.

Walked around for a while and was eventually able to eat something. Looks like the amount of fullness a bit of meat restores is just a bit larger than the threshold at which you become hungry. Either that or there's a problem with sleeping.

This was NOT a save I transferred from an earlier version. I genned this world in 31.10.

(0019588)
Khym Chanur (reporter)
2012-02-14 19:58

With 0.34.01, I ate when it said "hungry". It still said "hungry", but trying to eat again told me I was too full.

(0020061)
liquience (reporter)
2012-02-18 14:37

I am seeing the same issue as Khym Chanur, but in 0.34.02 (adventure mode).

(0024297)
Footkerchief (manager)
2014-01-20 19:37

Another save at: 0005155:0019820

(0026232)
zarmeck (reporter)
2014-07-13 16:50

Same problem in 0.40.03

(0026288)
Rafal99 (reporter)
2014-07-13 23:13
edited on: 2014-07-13 23:25

There seem to be a lot of confusion about this so let me explain.
Dwarf can only drink or eat 3 times before becoming "too full" and having to wait a while.
This was and likely still is easy to reproduce.
If you drink 3 times then you can't eat because you are too full, even if starving.
If you eat 3 times then you can't drink because you are too full, even if dehydrated.

It was already described long time ago in the notes in 0005065.

This is how the game mechanics works, now the only question is if it is a good mechanic or not. Imho it is bad because it doesn't show to the player how full he is, until it is too late, and maybe it shouldn't allow the player to fill himself with only water if he is starving?

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-06-06 10:32	toybasher	New Issue
2010-06-16 13:08	toybasher	Issue Monitored: toybasher
2010-06-16 13:21	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0008569
2010-06-16 13:22	Footkerchief	Note Edited: 0008569	View Revisions
2010-06-16 13:30	smjjames	Note Added: 0008571
2010-06-20 09:17	toybasher	Note Added: 0008774
2010-06-20 09:22	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0008777
2010-06-20 09:22	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: AWAITING UPDATE
2010-06-20 09:38	toybasher	Note Added: 0008782
2010-06-28 07:47	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0009222
2010-06-28 10:31	toybasher	Note Added: 0009253
2010-06-28 10:48	toybasher	Note Added: 0009254
2010-06-28 10:49	toybasher	Note Edited: 0009254	View Revisions
2010-06-28 11:14	Footkerchief	Tag Detached: AWAITING UPDATE
2010-06-28 11:14	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: Intentional?
2010-06-28 11:14	Footkerchief	Summary	Adventurers that are too full cant eat, even when starving or dehydrated. => Adventurers can be simultaneously starving and too full to eat
2010-06-28 15:46	toybasher	Note Added: 0009274
2010-06-28 16:50	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0009277
2010-06-29 15:11	toybasher	Note Added: 0009328
2010-07-11 19:00	Untelligent	Note Added: 0009997
2010-07-11 19:02	Untelligent	Note Edited: 0009997	View Revisions
2010-07-12 12:03	Footkerchief	Tag Renamed	Intentional? => Intentional/Expected?
2012-02-14 19:58	Khym Chanur	Note Added: 0019588
2012-02-14 20:05	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0005068
2012-02-14 20:05	Footkerchief	Relationship deleted	related to 0005068
2012-02-14 20:05	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0005065
2012-02-14 20:05	Footkerchief	Tag Detached: Intentional/Expected?
2012-02-18 14:37	liquience	Note Added: 0020061
2012-02-22 08:22	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0003950
2014-01-20 19:37	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0024297
2014-01-27 21:05	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	has duplicate 0005065
2014-01-27 21:06	Footkerchief	Summary	Adventurers can be simultaneously starving and too full to eat => Adventurers can be simultaneously starving and too full (of either water or food) to eat
2014-07-13 16:50	zarmeck	Note Added: 0026232
2014-07-13 23:08	shazow	Issue Monitored: shazow
2014-07-13 23:13	Rafal99	Note Added: 0026288
2014-07-13 23:16	Rafal99	Note Edited: 0026288	View Revisions
2014-07-13 23:20	Rafal99	Note Edited: 0026288	View Revisions
2014-07-13 23:22	Rafal99	Note Edited: 0026288	View Revisions
2014-07-13 23:25	Rafal99	Note Edited: 0026288	View Revisions

Notes
(0008569) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-06-16 13:21 edited on: 2010-06-16 13:22	Your adventurer is simultaneously starving and too full? Do you keep starving if you wait a while?

(0008571) smjjames (reporter) 2010-06-16 13:30	I've gotten this in arena mode as well.

(0008774) toybasher (reporter) 2010-06-20 09:17	To footkercheif, Yes it does keep starving me and I can starve to death if I cant digest whatever is occupying my gut in time.

(0008777) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-06-20 09:22	In that case, you should probably upload a save demonstrating this problem. http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0008782) toybasher (reporter) 2010-06-20 09:38	Ok! Will do once I can bring myself to install the new version.

(0009222) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-06-28 07:47	Any updates?

(0009253) toybasher (reporter) 2010-06-28 10:31	I will try to do this one soon, I will upload a save real soon. Getting caught of in dwarf mode (Annoying miltiery bugs...grr)

(0009254) toybasher (reporter) 2010-06-28 10:48 edited on: 2010-06-28 10:49	http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2592 [^] He is starving and yet he still wont eat,

(0009274) toybasher (reporter) 2010-06-28 15:46	By the way, how is this intentional? (No offense intended)

(0009277) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-06-28 16:50	It's possibly realistic. Having food in your belly doesn't mean that your body has digested it, or that the nutrients have entered your bloodstream.

(0009328) toybasher (reporter) 2010-06-29 15:11	However all of the time eating food makes the starving/hungry icon go away instantly.

(0009997) Untelligent (reporter) 2010-07-11 19:00 edited on: 2010-07-11 19:02	I'll add my own report here, since this just happened to me in 31.10. Went hunting in the mountains. Fell asleep by a brook. Woke up hungry and thirsty. Drank until I couldn't, no longery thirsty but still hungry. Tried to eat some meat. Got a "too full" message, despite being hungry. Wasn't starving though. Walked around for a while and was eventually able to eat something. Looks like the amount of fullness a bit of meat restores is just a bit larger than the threshold at which you become hungry. Either that or there's a problem with sleeping. This was NOT a save I transferred from an earlier version. I genned this world in 31.10.

(0019588) Khym Chanur (reporter) 2012-02-14 19:58	With 0.34.01, I ate when it said "hungry". It still said "hungry", but trying to eat again told me I was too full.

(0020061) liquience (reporter) 2012-02-18 14:37	I am seeing the same issue as Khym Chanur, but in 0.34.02 (adventure mode).

(0024297) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-01-20 19:37	Another save at: 0005155:0019820

(0026232) zarmeck (reporter) 2014-07-13 16:50	Same problem in 0.40.03

(0026288) Rafal99 (reporter) 2014-07-13 23:13 edited on: 2014-07-13 23:25	There seem to be a lot of confusion about this so let me explain. Dwarf can only drink or eat 3 times before becoming "too full" and having to wait a while. This was and likely still is easy to reproduce. If you drink 3 times then you can't eat because you are too full, even if starving. If you eat 3 times then you can't drink because you are too full, even if dehydrated. It was already described long time ago in the notes in 0005065. This is how the game mechanics works, now the only question is if it is a good mechanic or not. Imho it is bad because it doesn't show to the player how full he is, until it is too late, and maybe it shouldn't allow the player to fill himself with only water if he is starving?