0000422: Some available weapons don't show up in uniform/equipment

(0000936)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-04 15:04

Is this specific to adamantine weapons? It's been reported that it's very hard to get them to switch weapons in general. Please try making some iron weapons or whatever and see if they'll switch to those either.

(0000937)
Secone (reporter)
2010-04-04 15:09
edited on: 2010-04-04 15:09

I'm not sure, I told them to pick up a battle axe, all 3 of them, 2 of them picked up the bronze battle axe and, I think the other one was iron, but the third one never has picked up the adamantine battle axe laying in the weapon bin. All of the other weapons appear in the "specific weapon" list within the military screen except for the adamantine axe. Currently making an adamantine sword right now, will see if that works out.

(0000939)
Secone (reporter)
2010-04-04 15:25
edited on: 2010-04-04 15:28

Okay, I had forbidden all of the other weapons besides the adamantine sword, and set them to use short swords, after even going to the point of dumping the weapons in their hands so they couldn't use them, they decided to train with their hands instead of picking up the adamantine short sword. Not sure if it applies to iron and steel objects as well. I should also mention when I gave an adamantine weapon to a dwarf in Arena mode, when I spawned him it crashed, don't know if there was a bug report on that or not.

(0000943)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-04 15:33

The Arena equipment crash was reported, yeah. Dunno if it's related to this. It would be helpful if you made additional non-adamantine weapons and kept trying, since many of the military equipment bugs seem to only appear after they've changed equipment several times.

(0001447)
Secone (reporter)
2010-04-06 07:55

Okay, it seems today that now they can pick up the adamantine weapons and everything works fine. I didn't have a chance to play DF since I reported this, so I'm guessing that when you restart DF the weapons will show up? Not sure what fixed it, but it works now.

(0001532)
Halconnen (reporter)
2010-04-06 11:12

Have the same problem with a bundle of iron spears I made.

An iron short sword and an iron battle axe show up on the specific weapon list just fine.

But the sixteen(!) iron spears I made do not. They also do not pick them up themselves when just told to get any melee weapon that strikes their fancy, they instead prefer to wrestle.

I can trade them and install them in weapon traps just fine, though, so it isn't like the spears are forbidden or anything.

(0005213)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-26 17:29

I suspect this issue was due to pathfinding problems. Has anyone observed it in 31.03?

(0005339)
hyndis (reporter)
2010-04-27 08:09

Works just fine in 31.03.

I got a legendary weaponsmith from a mood and used a custom cheat reaction to get a huge pile of adamantine wafers. I don't think the source of the wafers matters but its faster than digging it out.

I made a bunch of axes and short swords and my military is happily doing individual training with the masterwork adamantine weapons.

(0005739)
adsgargadvd (reporter)
2010-04-30 03:42
edited on: 2010-04-30 03:46

I've encountered a similar problem. Besides the usual finnickiness of equipping things, adamantine weapons and armour do not show up on the lists for "use specific helm," etc..

Edit: And now they *are* showing up. Chalk it up to me not understanding how the arsenaldwarf works?

(0005749)
hyndis (reporter)
2010-04-30 09:28

Make sure the arsenal dorf has an office and time to work. You can turn off all of his other jobs to ensure he's always available to update the equipment.

What I did was to not specify material. No need to bother with it. I just said use short swords and battle axes. One squad was to use swords, the other was to use axes. The only kinds of swords and axes I had were made out of adamantine, so once the arsenal dorf worked in his office for a bit, all of my recruits ran over to the stockpile to pick up their new adamantine weapons.

(0008188)
Toady One (administrator)
2010-06-12 04:29

So does this particular equipment bug seem to be gone? Or is there some material problem that is still happening?

(0008753)
vasiln (reporter)
2010-06-20 02:41

Does it have anything to do with when the particular weapons were forged? As in, long before the dwarf's arrival, or after the dwarf had been drafted?

(0010406)
crucifier (reporter)
2010-07-15 21:42

im not sure the arsenal dwarf is the problem. i have one single battle axe in a bin, and my arsenal dwarf has has months in game to mark it as usable or something, but its still not appearing on the equip specific weapon screen. not sure that the problem is here (i had the axe equipped at first, then unequipped it, now it is sitting useless in a bin 5 feet from my legendary axedwarf while that dwarf runs around and wrestles things)

(0010407)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-07-15 22:07

crucifier, it would probably be helpful to upload your save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0015650)
Dwarfu (manager)
2011-03-01 16:50

Reminder sent to: crucifier

Would you still happen to have a save for this? Have you experienced this in any version beyond 31.01?

(0021626)
Footkerchief (manager)
2012-03-20 19:48

Toady may need an up-to-date save (0.34.02+) to fix this problem. It would be helpful for someone to upload a save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] and post the link here.

(0022228)
Footkerchief (manager)
2012-04-11 12:05

Please reopen this report or PM me on the forums if this problem is still present in 0.34.07+.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-04 15:03	Secone	New Issue
2010-04-04 15:04	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0000936
2010-04-04 15:04	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: Footkerchief
2010-04-04 15:09	Secone	Note Added: 0000937
2010-04-04 15:09	Secone	Note Edited: 0000937	View Revisions
2010-04-04 15:25	Secone	Note Added: 0000939
2010-04-04 15:28	Secone	Note Edited: 0000939	View Revisions
2010-04-04 15:33	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0000943
2010-04-04 16:45	Qloos	Tag Attached: Adamantine
2010-04-04 16:45	Qloos	Tag Attached: Equipment
2010-04-04 16:45	Qloos	Tag Attached: Military
2010-04-06 07:55	Secone	Note Added: 0001447
2010-04-06 10:01	Footkerchief	Relationship added	child of 0000535
2010-04-06 11:12	Halconnen	Note Added: 0001532
2010-04-14 13:01	lord_chaos22000	Issue Monitored: lord_chaos22000
2010-04-26 17:29	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0005213
2010-04-27 08:09	hyndis	Note Added: 0005339
2010-04-30 03:42	adsgargadvd	Note Added: 0005739
2010-04-30 03:46	adsgargadvd	Note Edited: 0005739	View Revisions
2010-04-30 09:28	hyndis	Note Added: 0005749
2010-06-12 04:29	Toady One	Note Added: 0008188
2010-06-12 04:29	Toady One	Assigned To	=> Toady One
2010-06-12 04:29	Toady One	Status	new => acknowledged
2010-06-20 02:41	vasiln	Note Added: 0008753
2010-07-14 07:48	Footkerchief	Summary	Military don't wield adamantine weapons => Some weapons don't show up in uniform/equipment
2010-07-14 07:49	Footkerchief	Summary	Some weapons don't show up in uniform/equipment => Some available weapons don't show up in uniform/equipment
2010-07-15 21:42	crucifier	Note Added: 0010406
2010-07-15 22:07	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0010407
2011-03-01 16:50	Dwarfu	Issue Monitored: crucifier
2011-03-01 16:50	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0015650
2011-03-01 16:50	Dwarfu	Tag Attached: AWAITING UPDATE
2012-03-20 19:48	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0021626
2012-03-26 09:26	thvaz	Issue Monitored: thvaz
2012-04-11 12:05	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0022228
2012-04-11 12:05	Footkerchief	Status	acknowledged => resolved
2012-04-11 12:05	Footkerchief	Resolution	open => unable to reproduce
2012-04-11 12:05	Footkerchief	Assigned To	Toady One => Footkerchief
2012-04-11 12:06	Footkerchief	Tag Detached: AWAITING UPDATE
2012-04-14 00:23	thvaz	Issue End Monitor: thvaz

Notes
(0000936) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-04-04 15:04	Is this specific to adamantine weapons? It's been reported that it's very hard to get them to switch weapons in general. Please try making some iron weapons or whatever and see if they'll switch to those either.

(0000937) Secone (reporter) 2010-04-04 15:09 edited on: 2010-04-04 15:09	I'm not sure, I told them to pick up a battle axe, all 3 of them, 2 of them picked up the bronze battle axe and, I think the other one was iron, but the third one never has picked up the adamantine battle axe laying in the weapon bin. All of the other weapons appear in the "specific weapon" list within the military screen except for the adamantine axe. Currently making an adamantine sword right now, will see if that works out.

(0000939) Secone (reporter) 2010-04-04 15:25 edited on: 2010-04-04 15:28	Okay, I had forbidden all of the other weapons besides the adamantine sword, and set them to use short swords, after even going to the point of dumping the weapons in their hands so they couldn't use them, they decided to train with their hands instead of picking up the adamantine short sword. Not sure if it applies to iron and steel objects as well. I should also mention when I gave an adamantine weapon to a dwarf in Arena mode, when I spawned him it crashed, don't know if there was a bug report on that or not.

(0000943) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-04-04 15:33	The Arena equipment crash was reported, yeah. Dunno if it's related to this. It would be helpful if you made additional non-adamantine weapons and kept trying, since many of the military equipment bugs seem to only appear after they've changed equipment several times.

(0001447) Secone (reporter) 2010-04-06 07:55	Okay, it seems today that now they can pick up the adamantine weapons and everything works fine. I didn't have a chance to play DF since I reported this, so I'm guessing that when you restart DF the weapons will show up? Not sure what fixed it, but it works now.

(0001532) Halconnen (reporter) 2010-04-06 11:12	Have the same problem with a bundle of iron spears I made. An iron short sword and an iron battle axe show up on the specific weapon list just fine. But the sixteen(!) iron spears I made do not. They also do not pick them up themselves when just told to get any melee weapon that strikes their fancy, they instead prefer to wrestle. I can trade them and install them in weapon traps just fine, though, so it isn't like the spears are forbidden or anything.

(0005213) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-04-26 17:29	I suspect this issue was due to pathfinding problems. Has anyone observed it in 31.03?

(0005339) hyndis (reporter) 2010-04-27 08:09	Works just fine in 31.03. I got a legendary weaponsmith from a mood and used a custom cheat reaction to get a huge pile of adamantine wafers. I don't think the source of the wafers matters but its faster than digging it out. I made a bunch of axes and short swords and my military is happily doing individual training with the masterwork adamantine weapons.

(0005739) adsgargadvd (reporter) 2010-04-30 03:42 edited on: 2010-04-30 03:46	I've encountered a similar problem. Besides the usual finnickiness of equipping things, adamantine weapons and armour do not show up on the lists for "use specific helm," etc.. Edit: And now they are showing up. Chalk it up to me not understanding how the arsenaldwarf works?

(0005749) hyndis (reporter) 2010-04-30 09:28	Make sure the arsenal dorf has an office and time to work. You can turn off all of his other jobs to ensure he's always available to update the equipment. What I did was to not specify material. No need to bother with it. I just said use short swords and battle axes. One squad was to use swords, the other was to use axes. The only kinds of swords and axes I had were made out of adamantine, so once the arsenal dorf worked in his office for a bit, all of my recruits ran over to the stockpile to pick up their new adamantine weapons.

(0008188) Toady One (administrator) 2010-06-12 04:29	So does this particular equipment bug seem to be gone? Or is there some material problem that is still happening?

(0008753) vasiln (reporter) 2010-06-20 02:41	Does it have anything to do with when the particular weapons were forged? As in, long before the dwarf's arrival, or after the dwarf had been drafted?

(0010406) crucifier (reporter) 2010-07-15 21:42	im not sure the arsenal dwarf is the problem. i have one single battle axe in a bin, and my arsenal dwarf has has months in game to mark it as usable or something, but its still not appearing on the equip specific weapon screen. not sure that the problem is here (i had the axe equipped at first, then unequipped it, now it is sitting useless in a bin 5 feet from my legendary axedwarf while that dwarf runs around and wrestles things)

(0010407) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-07-15 22:07	crucifier, it would probably be helpful to upload your save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0015650) Dwarfu (manager) 2011-03-01 16:50	Reminder sent to: crucifier Would you still happen to have a save for this? Have you experienced this in any version beyond 31.01?

(0021626) Footkerchief (manager) 2012-03-20 19:48	Toady may need an up-to-date save (0.34.02+) to fix this problem. It would be helpful for someone to upload a save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] and post the link here.

(0022228) Footkerchief (manager) 2012-04-11 12:05	Please reopen this report or PM me on the forums if this problem is still present in 0.34.07+.