0005748: Children Still Tantruming/Going Berserk at Age 2 Over Clothing

(0021993)
slink (reporter)
2012-04-01 13:44
edited on: 2012-04-01 13:45

Save here:
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6063 [^]

This is while first child is still berserk, before it dies.

(0022007)
Kogut (reporter)
2012-04-01 22:50

Is it save of world generated in 34.06 or previous version?

(0022022)
slink (reporter)
2012-04-02 04:54

Generated in 34.07.

(0022141)
slink (reporter)
2012-04-07 10:06

I've also come to realize that dresses and robes don't count as leg coverings, despite that they do for armoring purposes. Do I need to make a new issue for this, or is it already known, or was it never intended that they do so?

(0022193)
Steb (reporter)
2012-04-10 06:10
edited on: 2012-04-12 03:55

I am still getting this occasionally despite an ample supply of trousers, socks, shoes and vests. I have lost 2 children to nakedness-related insanity out of around 20 growing to childhood from infancy. I will upload a save if it happens again. World genned in .06 I think, running .07.

Edit: Save not forthcoming due to full-scale tantrum spiral.

(0022202)
Crandal626 (reporter)
2012-04-10 14:10

World genned in 0.34.07 is unplayable due to tantrumming babies at 20 days old murdering my broker and others due to not having clothing.

(0022208)
Videospirit (reporter)
2012-04-10 20:10

My babies are perfectly happy without clothes, and they go get dressed when they grow up to children before things get too bad. Do you have enough unowned clothing for your children to wear?

(0022234)
slink (reporter)
2012-04-11 20:10

Videospirit: Babies have never needed clothing in any of my fortresses. Children are not supposed to need clothing in 34.07, but by the observations of some players, including me, they still do.

(0022298)
Blakmane (reporter)
2012-04-18 02:17

I can confirm this still has not been resolved. I've had four children die so far to clothing related unhappiness, which is rapidly causing a tantrum spiral and thus the end of my fortress. I've noticed that a lot of the children are wearing bits and pieces of clothing, so it isn't that they aren't claiming/wearing at all. Possibly they aren't claiming the clothing fast enough, or the negative thoughts associated are too strong/don't go away properly once clothing is claimed. Often the clothing-related thoughts are the only negative thoughts on the list, but are still sufficient to cause insanity.

(0022323)
kwieland (reporter)
2012-04-21 16:39
edited on: 2012-04-30 13:47

Miserable by the age of 1, tantrum and brawls at the age of two!

(0022690)
Jon-Ace (reporter)
2012-05-23 14:48

In 0.34.10 as well

(0022697)
HiEv (reporter)
2012-05-23 19:03

Toady's bugfix description in the 03/26/2012 development logs says, "removed negative clothing thoughts for children", but the way things are working I think he meant to write "babies" instead of "children".

If that's the case then things are working as intended now.

(0022773)
slink (reporter)
2012-05-28 20:00
edited on: 2012-05-28 20:00

Yes, we know you think that, HiEv. We still haven't heard that from him.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2012-04-01 13:11	slink	New Issue
2012-04-01 13:44	slink	Note Added: 0021993
2012-04-01 13:45	slink	Note Edited: 0021993	View Revisions
2012-04-01 22:50	Kogut	Note Added: 0022007
2012-04-02 04:54	slink	Note Added: 0022022
2012-04-02 12:06	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0005705
2012-04-05 08:54	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0005775
2012-04-07 10:06	slink	Note Added: 0022141
2012-04-08 10:25	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0005786
2012-04-10 06:10	Steb	Note Added: 0022193
2012-04-10 14:10	Crandal626	Note Added: 0022202
2012-04-10 20:10	Videospirit	Note Added: 0022208
2012-04-11 20:10	slink	Note Added: 0022234
2012-04-12 03:55	Steb	Note Edited: 0022193	View Revisions
2012-04-18 02:17	Blakmane	Note Added: 0022298
2012-04-21 16:39	kwieland	Note Added: 0022323
2012-04-30 13:47	kwieland	Note Edited: 0022323	View Revisions
2012-04-30 13:48	kwieland	Issue Monitored: kwieland
2012-05-12 05:24	Knight Otu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0005870
2012-05-23 14:48	Jon-Ace	Note Added: 0022690
2012-05-23 19:03	HiEv	Note Added: 0022697
2012-05-24 15:11	arclance	Issue Monitored: arclance
2012-05-28 15:19	cue	Note Added: 0022771
2012-05-28 19:25	cue	Note Deleted: 0022771
2012-05-28 20:00	slink	Note Added: 0022773
2012-05-28 20:00	slink	Note Edited: 0022773	View Revisions
2012-06-03 18:43	Toady One	Status	new => resolved
2012-06-03 18:43	Toady One	Fixed in Version	=> Next Version
2012-06-03 18:43	Toady One	Resolution	open => fixed
2012-06-03 18:43	Toady One	Assigned To	=> Toady One
2012-06-03 19:06	kwieland	Issue End Monitor: kwieland
2013-03-07 01:26	Dwarfu	Relationship deleted	related to 0005786

Notes
(0021993) slink (reporter) 2012-04-01 13:44 edited on: 2012-04-01 13:45	Save here: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6063 [^] This is while first child is still berserk, before it dies.

(0022007) Kogut (reporter) 2012-04-01 22:50	Is it save of world generated in 34.06 or previous version?

(0022022) slink (reporter) 2012-04-02 04:54	Generated in 34.07.

(0022141) slink (reporter) 2012-04-07 10:06	I've also come to realize that dresses and robes don't count as leg coverings, despite that they do for armoring purposes. Do I need to make a new issue for this, or is it already known, or was it never intended that they do so?

(0022193) Steb (reporter) 2012-04-10 06:10 edited on: 2012-04-12 03:55	I am still getting this occasionally despite an ample supply of trousers, socks, shoes and vests. I have lost 2 children to nakedness-related insanity out of around 20 growing to childhood from infancy. I will upload a save if it happens again. World genned in .06 I think, running .07. Edit: Save not forthcoming due to full-scale tantrum spiral.

(0022202) Crandal626 (reporter) 2012-04-10 14:10	World genned in 0.34.07 is unplayable due to tantrumming babies at 20 days old murdering my broker and others due to not having clothing.

(0022208) Videospirit (reporter) 2012-04-10 20:10	My babies are perfectly happy without clothes, and they go get dressed when they grow up to children before things get too bad. Do you have enough unowned clothing for your children to wear?

(0022234) slink (reporter) 2012-04-11 20:10	Videospirit: Babies have never needed clothing in any of my fortresses. Children are not supposed to need clothing in 34.07, but by the observations of some players, including me, they still do.

(0022298) Blakmane (reporter) 2012-04-18 02:17	I can confirm this still has not been resolved. I've had four children die so far to clothing related unhappiness, which is rapidly causing a tantrum spiral and thus the end of my fortress. I've noticed that a lot of the children are wearing bits and pieces of clothing, so it isn't that they aren't claiming/wearing at all. Possibly they aren't claiming the clothing fast enough, or the negative thoughts associated are too strong/don't go away properly once clothing is claimed. Often the clothing-related thoughts are the only negative thoughts on the list, but are still sufficient to cause insanity.

(0022323) kwieland (reporter) 2012-04-21 16:39 edited on: 2012-04-30 13:47	Miserable by the age of 1, tantrum and brawls at the age of two!

(0022690) Jon-Ace (reporter) 2012-05-23 14:48	In 0.34.10 as well

(0022697) HiEv (reporter) 2012-05-23 19:03	Toady's bugfix description in the 03/26/2012 development logs says, "removed negative clothing thoughts for children", but the way things are working I think he meant to write "babies" instead of "children". If that's the case then things are working as intended now.

(0022773) slink (reporter) 2012-05-28 20:00 edited on: 2012-05-28 20:00	Yes, we know you think that, HiEv. We still haven't heard that from him.