0008715: No shells from fish cleaning, no shellfish or pond turtles in the rivers

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(0031829) izembaro (reporter) 2015-01-09 18:45 edited on: 2015-01-09 18:48	I've got a stockpile full of both pond turtle & mussel shells, so it definitely doesn't happen in every map.

(0031831) Button (reporter) 2015-01-09 22:46	"They are both in the raws, which say 100% frequency and any ocean/lake/river, but I am unable to get them anywhere." I don't see a [UBIQUITOUS] tag in the raws for pond turtle or mussel. Are you using modded raws? If so, would you upload them to dffd please so we can confirm this isn't a raw problem?

(0031834) badgerstorm (reporter) 2015-01-10 04:06 edited on: 2015-01-11 07:54	I've been doing a lot of modding, but I haven't modded the raws in the files for turtles or mussels. Do you suppose the modding of other raw files might have something to do with it? http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=10408 [^] Here's some of the offending raws. EDIT: I have begun a fresh install of dwarf fortress, with fresh, correctly installed DFHack and graphics, and everything is just fine...except for this. This problem continues to persist. I have never even touched the raws containing the oyster, mussel, or pond turtle data. 2015-01-11 09:11:49.891 dwarfort.exe[7931:903] Warning once: This application, or a library it uses, is using NSQuickDrawView, which has been deprecated. Apps should cease use of QuickDraw and move to Quartz. dfhack: saving real SDL functions dfhack: saved real SDL functions dfhack: hooking successful Identifying DF version. Loading hack/symbols.xml ... OK Dummy symbol table entry: start_dwarf_count Dummy symbol table entry: created_item_type Dummy symbol table entry: created_item_subtype Dummy symbol table entry: created_item_mattype Dummy symbol table entry: created_item_matindex Dummy symbol table entry: created_item_count Dummy symbol table entry: map_renderer Dummy symbol table entry: flows Dummy symbol table entry: texture Dummy symbol table entry: timed_events Dummy symbol table entry: ui_advmode Dummy symbol table entry: ui_building_assign_type Dummy symbol table entry: ui_building_assign_is_marked Dummy symbol table entry: ui_building_assign_units Dummy symbol table entry: ui_building_assign_items Dummy symbol table entry: debug_nopause Dummy symbol table entry: debug_nomoods Dummy symbol table entry: debug_combat Dummy symbol table entry: debug_wildlife Dummy symbol table entry: debug_nodrink Dummy symbol table entry: debug_noeat Dummy symbol table entry: debug_nosleep Dummy symbol table entry: debug_showambush Dummy symbol table entry: debug_fastmining Dummy symbol table entry: debug_noberserk Dummy symbol table entry: debug_turbospeed Dummy symbol table entry: save_on_exit Dummy symbol table entry: start_dwarf_count Dummy symbol table entry: cursor Dummy symbol table entry: selection_rect Dummy symbol table entry: gamemode Dummy symbol table entry: gametype Dummy symbol table entry: ui_menu_width Dummy symbol table entry: ui_area_map_width Dummy symbol table entry: created_item_type Dummy symbol table entry: created_item_subtype Dummy symbol table entry: created_item_mattype Dummy symbol table entry: created_item_matindex Dummy symbol table entry: created_item_count Dummy symbol table entry: map_renderer Dummy symbol table entry: d_init Dummy symbol table entry: enabler Dummy symbol table entry: flows Dummy symbol table entry: gps Dummy symbol table entry: gview Dummy symbol table entry: init Dummy symbol table entry: texture Dummy symbol table entry: timed_events Dummy symbol table entry: ui Dummy symbol table entry: ui_advmode Dummy symbol table entry: ui_build_selector Dummy symbol table entry: ui_building_assign_type Dummy symbol table entry: ui_building_assign_is_marked Dummy symbol table entry: ui_building_assign_units Dummy symbol table entry: ui_building_assign_items Dummy symbol table entry: ui_look_list Dummy symbol table entry: ui_sidebar_menus Dummy symbol table entry: world Dummy symbol table entry: announcements Dummy symbol table entry: cur_year Dummy symbol table entry: cur_year_tick Dummy symbol table entry: cur_year_tick_advmode Dummy symbol table entry: cur_season Dummy symbol table entry: cur_season_tick Dummy symbol table entry: current_weather Dummy symbol table entry: pause_state Dummy symbol table entry: process_dig Dummy symbol table entry: process_jobs Dummy symbol table entry: ui_building_in_assign Dummy symbol table entry: ui_building_in_resize Dummy symbol table entry: ui_building_item_cursor Dummy symbol table entry: ui_look_cursor Dummy symbol table entry: ui_selected_unit Dummy symbol table entry: ui_unit_view_mode Dummy symbol table entry: ui_workshop_in_add Dummy symbol table entry: ui_workshop_job_cursor Dummy symbol table entry: window_x Dummy symbol table entry: window_y Dummy symbol table entry: window_z Dummy symbol table entry: debug_nopause Dummy symbol table entry: debug_nomoods Dummy symbol table entry: debug_combat Dummy symbol table entry: debug_wildlife Dummy symbol table entry: debug_nodrink Dummy symbol table entry: debug_noeat Dummy symbol table entry: debug_nosleep Dummy symbol table entry: debug_showambush Dummy symbol table entry: debug_fastmining Dummy symbol table entry: debug_noberserk Dummy symbol table entry: debug_turbospeed Dummy symbol table entry: save_on_exit Dummy symbol table entry: start_dwarf_count Dummy symbol table entry: debug_nopause Dummy symbol table entry: debug_nomoods Dummy symbol table entry: debug_combat Dummy symbol table entry: debug_wildlife Dummy symbol table entry: debug_nodrink Dummy symbol table entry: debug_noeat Dummy symbol table entry: debug_nosleep Dummy symbol table entry: debug_showambush Dummy symbol table entry: debug_fastmining Dummy symbol table entry: debug_noberserk Dummy symbol table entry: debug_turbospeed Dummy symbol table entry: save_on_exit Dummy symbol table entry: start_dwarf_count Dummy symbol table entry: cursor Dummy symbol table entry: selection_rect Dummy symbol table entry: gamemode Dummy symbol table entry: gametype Dummy symbol table entry: ui_menu_width Dummy symbol table entry: ui_area_map_width Dummy symbol table entry: created_item_type Dummy symbol table entry: created_item_subtype Dummy symbol table entry: created_item_mattype Dummy symbol table entry: created_item_matindex Dummy symbol table entry: created_item_count Dummy symbol table entry: map_renderer Dummy symbol table entry: d_init Dummy symbol table entry: enabler Dummy symbol table entry: flows Dummy symbol table entry: gps Dummy symbol table entry: gview Dummy symbol table entry: init Dummy symbol table entry: texture Dummy symbol table entry: timed_events Dummy symbol table entry: ui Dummy symbol table entry: ui_advmode Dummy symbol table entry: ui_build_selector Dummy symbol table entry: ui_building_assign_type Dummy symbol table entry: ui_building_assign_is_marked Dummy symbol table entry: ui_building_assign_units Dummy symbol table entry: ui_building_assign_items Dummy symbol table entry: ui_look_list Dummy symbol table entry: ui_sidebar_menus Dummy symbol table entry: world Dummy symbol table entry: announcements Dummy symbol table entry: cur_year Dummy symbol table entry: cur_year_tick Dummy symbol table entry: cur_year_tick_advmode Dummy symbol table entry: cur_season Dummy symbol table entry: cur_season_tick Dummy symbol table entry: current_weather Dummy symbol table entry: pause_state Dummy symbol table entry: process_dig Dummy symbol table entry: process_jobs Dummy symbol table entry: ui_building_in_assign Dummy symbol table entry: ui_building_in_resize Dummy symbol table entry: ui_building_item_cursor Dummy symbol table entry: ui_look_cursor Dummy symbol table entry: ui_selected_unit Dummy symbol table entry: ui_unit_view_mode Dummy symbol table entry: ui_workshop_in_add Dummy symbol table entry: ui_workshop_job_cursor Dummy symbol table entry: window_x Dummy symbol table entry: window_y Dummy symbol table entry: window_z Dummy symbol table entry: debug_nopause Dummy symbol table entry: debug_nomoods Dummy symbol table entry: debug_combat Dummy symbol table entry: debug_wildlife Dummy symbol table entry: debug_nodrink Dummy symbol table entry: debug_noeat Dummy symbol table entry: debug_nosleep Dummy symbol table entry: debug_showambush Dummy symbol table entry: debug_fastmining Dummy symbol table entry: debug_noberserk Dummy symbol table entry: debug_turbospeed Dummy symbol table entry: save_on_exit Dummy symbol table entry: start_dwarf_count Dummy symbol table entry: debug_nopause Dummy symbol table entry: debug_nomoods Dummy symbol table entry: debug_combat Dummy symbol table entry: debug_wildlife Dummy symbol table entry: debug_nodrink Dummy symbol table entry: debug_noeat Dummy symbol table entry: debug_nosleep Dummy symbol table entry: debug_showambush Dummy symbol table entry: debug_fastmining Dummy symbol table entry: debug_noberserk Dummy symbol table entry: debug_turbospeed Dummy symbol table entry: save_on_exit Dummy symbol table entry: start_dwarf_count Dummy symbol table entry: debug_nopause Dummy symbol table entry: debug_nomoods Dummy symbol table entry: debug_combat Dummy symbol table entry: debug_wildlife Dummy symbol table entry: debug_nodrink Dummy symbol table entry: debug_noeat Dummy symbol table entry: debug_nosleep Dummy symbol table entry: debug_showambush Dummy symbol table entry: debug_fastmining Dummy symbol table entry: debug_noberserk Dummy symbol table entry: debug_turbospeed Dummy symbol table entry: save_on_exit Dummy symbol table entry: start_dwarf_count Loaded 7 DF symbol tables. Version: v0.40.23 osx Initializing Console. Console is running. Initializing Plugins. d_init: 372 world: 2456548 ui: 28440 b_stock: 1272 dlopen(/Applications/DF 40.23/hack/plugins/stonesense.plug.dylib, 2): Library not loaded: /usr/lib/libc++.1.dylib Referenced from: /Applications/DF 40.23/./hack/libs/liballegro.5.0.dylib Reason: image not found Can't load plugin /Applications/DF 40.23/hack/plugins/stonesense.plug.dylib Starting IO thread. Starting DF input capture thread. Invoking: keybinding add Ctrl-F1 hotkeys Invoking: keybinding add Alt-F1 hotkeys Invoking: keybinding add Ctrl-W twaterlvl Invoking: keybinding add Ctrl-V digv Invoking: keybinding add Ctrl-Shift-V "digv x" Invoking: keybinding add Ctrl-C spotclean Invoking: keybinding add Ctrl-Shift-K autodump-destroy-here Invoking: keybinding add Alt-Shift-I@dwarfmode/Zones "zone set" Invoking: keybinding add Ctrl-K autodump-destroy-item Invoking: keybinding add Ctrl-Alt-S@dwarfmode/Default quicksave Invoking: keybinding add Ctrl-Shift-N gui/rename Invoking: keybinding add Ctrl-Shift-T "gui/rename unit-profession" Invoking: keybinding add Ctrl-Shift-P command-prompt Invoking: keybinding add Alt-M@dwarfmode/Default "dwarfmonitor prefs" Invoking: keybinding add Ctrl-F@dwarfmode/Default "dwarfmonitor stats" Invoking: keybinding add Ctrl-Shift-F@dwarfmode forum-dwarves Invoking: keybinding add Ctrl-B@dungeonmode adv-bodyswap Invoking: keybinding add Ctrl-Shift-B@dungeonmode "adv-bodyswap force" Invoking: keybinding add Shift-O@dungeonmode gui/companion-order Invoking: keybinding add Ctrl-A@legends "exportlegends all" Invoking: keybinding add Ctrl-Shift-Z@dwarfmode/Default "stocks show" Invoking: keybinding add Ctrl-Shift-I@dwarfmode/Default "gui/dfstatus" Invoking: keybinding add Alt-P copystock Invoking: keybinding add Alt-L@dwarfmode/QueryBuilding/Some/Stockpile "gui/stockpiles -load" Invoking: keybinding add Alt-S@dwarfmode/QueryBuilding/Some/Stockpile "gui/stockpiles -save" Invoking: keybinding add Ctrl-D job-duplicate Invoking: keybinding add Shift-A "job-material ALUNITE" Invoking: keybinding add Shift-M "job-material MICROCLINE" Invoking: keybinding add Shift-D "job-material DACITE" Invoking: keybinding add Shift-R "job-material RHYOLITE" Invoking: keybinding add Shift-I "job-material CINNABAR" Invoking: keybinding add Shift-B "job-material COBALTITE" Invoking: keybinding add Shift-O "job-material OBSIDIAN" Invoking: keybinding add Shift-T "job-material ORTHOCLASE" Invoking: keybinding add Shift-G "job-material GLASS_GREEN" Invoking: keybinding add Alt-Shift-N "sort-units name" "sort-items description" Invoking: keybinding add Alt-Shift-R "sort-units arrival" Invoking: keybinding add Alt-Shift-T "sort-units profession" "sort-items type material" Invoking: keybinding add Alt-Shift-Q "sort-units squad_position" "sort-items quality" Invoking: keybinding add Ctrl-M@dwarfmode/QueryBuilding/Some gui/mechanisms Invoking: keybinding add Alt-R@dwarfmode/QueryBuilding/Some gui/room-list Invoking: keybinding add Alt-L@dwarfmode/LookAround gui/liquids Invoking: keybinding add Ctrl-Shift-M@dwarfmode/Build/Position/Trap gui/power-meter Invoking: keybinding add Alt-A@dwarfmode/QueryBuilding/Some/SiegeEngine gui/siege-engine Invoking: keybinding add Ctrl-W@layer_military/Equip/Customize/View gui/choose-weapons Invoking: keybinding add Ctrl-C@layer_military/Uniforms gui/clone-uniform Invoking: keybinding add Alt-P@dwarfmode/Hauling/DefineStop/Cond/Guide gui/guide-path Invoking: keybinding add Alt-A@dwarfmode/QueryBuilding/Some/Workshop/Job gui/workshop-job Invoking: keybinding add Alt-W@dwarfmode/QueryBuilding/Some/Workshop/Job gui/workflow Invoking: keybinding add Alt-W@overallstatus "gui/workflow status" Invoking: keybinding add Shift-B@pet/List/Unit "gui/autobutcher" Invoking: keybinding add P@dwarfmode/QueryBuilding/Some/Weaponrack gui/assign-rack Invoking: tweak stable-cursor Starting the TCP listener. DFHack is running. Invoking: tweak advmode-contained Invoking: tweak fast-trade Invoking: tweak military-stable-assign Invoking: tweak military-color-assigned Invoking: tweak craft-age-wear Invoking: tweak farm-plot-select Invoking: tweak import-priority-category Invoking: tweak civ-view-agreement Invoking: tweak max-wheelbarrow Invoking: enable manipulator Invoking: enable search Invoking: enable automaterial Invoking: enable dwarfmonitor mousequery automelt autotrade buildingplan resume trackstop zone stocks autochop stockpiles Invoking: stockflow enable Invoking: soundsense-season Invoking: log-region Invoking: prospect all Invoking: prospect all Invoking: prospect all Invoking: prospect all Invoking: prospect all Invoking: prospect all Invoking: prospect all Invoking: prospect all Invoking: prospect all Invoking: region-pops list-all Invoking: reveal Invoking: unreveal Invoking: reveal Invoking: unreveal Invoking: reveal Invoking: unreveal Invoking: reveal Invoking: unreveal Invoking: reveal Invoking: unreveal Invoking: quicksave Invoking: reveal Invoking: unreveal Invoking: region-pops list Invoking: region-pops list-all There is nothing in stderror.txt about shells, nor is there in the errorlog. This is the only thing in console that looks like it could be possibly useful: 1/11/15 8:12:43 AM com.apple.quicklook[6850] /Applications/DF 40.23/stonesense/creatures/beefmo_domestics.xml:7: parser error : Couldn't find end of Start Tag variant and 1/11/15 8:12:43 AM com.apple.quicklook[6850] <variant prof="CHILD" sheetIndex =60 frames = "0" color = "bodypart" bodypart I'm honestly at my wit's end. I have no idea how editing some raws could ruin raws that haven't even been touched.

(0031887) Footkerchief (manager) 2015-01-11 08:24	(deleted a duplicate of the above post) Maybe it's related to the type of worlds you're generating, or the biomes you're embarking on?

(0031888) badgerstorm (reporter) 2015-01-11 10:19 edited on: 2015-01-11 12:23	The only worldgen things I can think of are 5 minimum volcanoes, 800 minimum squares savagery, 4 titans, mineral scarcity 500, min savagery 15, and not a one of those had caused me trouble before. I'm trying to upload one of the saves to DFFD, but I can't upload the entire folder. Do I need to zip it up or something, or do I upload world.sav? UPDATE: A fresh, unmodded install had both of these creatures, both before and after adding the Phoebus graphics, but I don't seem to get any shells from the cleaning, which might be because the cleaner keeps storing them in barrels. Anyway, that's a problem for another time. I looked into the errorlog, and it says creature_standard has some faults in it. This makes sense, because I've been adding a lot of custom creatures to it, but I'm not sure why that would cause trouble with a completely separate raw file. I've managed to shave the errors down to: FAIRY_DRAGON:Attack SCRATCH seems to have correct format but could not find proper BPs in any caste, so not added FAIRY_DRAGON Color Mod Ending With (DARK_PINK,1) Was Not Used Here are the raws in question: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=aEfSLwYS [^] (moved these to pastebin -Footkerchief)

(0031889) Footkerchief (manager) 2015-01-11 10:24	Yeah, you have to zip the region folder. Do you get similar problems if you generate a world without customizing the settings?

(0031893) badgerstorm (reporter) 2015-01-11 17:40	Removed the offending raws. I no longer get any messages on the errorlog.txt. Yet the mot recently genned game had zero shelled seafood of any sort - not turtles, mussels, or oysters. Trying out a world genned using the regular "create new world!" option didn'r help at all. I have been testing rivers in multiple biomes - shrubland, forest, mountains - and none of them have any shelled creatures at all. How do I zip up a file? http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=10427 [^] Enclosed is the link to the creature_standard raws from the game. I got rid of the errors therein, but to no avail.

(0031898) Footkerchief (manager) 2015-01-11 19:25	A fresh, unmodded install had both of these creatures, both before and after adding the Phoebus graphics, but I don't seem to get any shells from the cleaning, which might be because the cleaner keeps storing them in barrels. Anyway, that's a problem for another time. Removed the offending raws. I no longer get any messages on the errorlog.txt. Yet the mot recently genned game had zero shelled seafood of any sort - not turtles, mussels, or oysters. I'm confused -- are there turtles/oysters/mussels or not? Are you checking via DFHack, world export, or actual statistics? "OS X Lion: Compress and uncompress files and folders": http://support.apple.com/kb/ph4048 [^]

(0031900) badgerstorm (reporter) 2015-01-12 03:04	There are none, and I'm checking via DFHack. Why, is DFHack known to not be 100% accurate in that regard? http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=10429 [^] Here's the whole file. I was honestly not expecting it to be that simple - I thought I'd need some kind of fancy software!

(0031901) Footkerchief (manager) 2015-01-12 06:49	Okay, so what did you mean about "A fresh, unmodded install had both of these creatures"? Did you have turtles/oysters/mussels at that point? I don't know if DFHack is accurate in this regard or not, but it has bugs just like DF does. It wouldn't be the first time that a DFHack bug was reported as a DF bug.

(0031908) badgerstorm (reporter) 2015-01-12 09:19 edited on: 2015-01-12 13:12	Yes, at the point before I began modding, but after I installed Phoebus, i was getting shelled creatures. I'll have to open DF without Hack in order to see if that makes a difference. Nobody else has reported this kind of thing when I asked them. Did you find anything funny in the raws? EDIT: Went on DF without DFHack, and lo and behold, turtles and mussels. So it looks like it hasn't got much to do with my raws, but probably something to do with DFHack maybe? When I've asked, everyone says they're pretty much drowning in shells. Curious... At least I might have a workaround: Go onto DFHack-free DF when I want or need shells.

(0031917) Footkerchief (manager) 2015-01-12 21:05	Okay, cool. Please reopen this if it starts looking like a DF bug again.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2015-01-09 17:16	badgerstorm	New Issue
2015-01-09 17:26	badgerstorm	Tag Attached: fishing
2015-01-09 17:26	badgerstorm	Tag Attached: shell
2015-01-09 17:26	badgerstorm	Tag Attached: 0.40.23
2015-01-09 17:26	badgerstorm	Tag Attached: 40.23
2015-01-09 18:45	izembaro	Note Added: 0031829
2015-01-09 18:48	izembaro	Note Edited: 0031829	View Revisions
2015-01-09 19:28	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0004500
2015-01-09 22:46	Button	Note Added: 0031831
2015-01-10 04:06	badgerstorm	Note Added: 0031834
2015-01-11 07:52	badgerstorm	Note Added: 0031884
2015-01-11 07:54	badgerstorm	Note Edited: 0031834	View Revisions
2015-01-11 08:15	Footkerchief	Note Deleted: 0031884
2015-01-11 08:24	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0031887
2015-01-11 08:24	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2015-01-11 08:24	Footkerchief	Status	new => needs feedback
2015-01-11 10:19	badgerstorm	Note Added: 0031888
2015-01-11 10:19	badgerstorm	Status	needs feedback => assigned
2015-01-11 10:24	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0031889
2015-01-11 11:46	badgerstorm	Note Edited: 0031888	View Revisions
2015-01-11 12:23	Footkerchief	Note Edited: 0031888	View Revisions
2015-01-11 17:40	badgerstorm	Note Added: 0031893
2015-01-11 19:25	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0031898
2015-01-12 03:04	badgerstorm	Note Added: 0031900
2015-01-12 06:49	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0031901
2015-01-12 06:49	Footkerchief	Status	assigned => needs feedback
2015-01-12 09:19	badgerstorm	Note Added: 0031908
2015-01-12 09:19	badgerstorm	Status	needs feedback => assigned
2015-01-12 13:12	badgerstorm	Note Edited: 0031908	View Revisions
2015-01-12 21:05	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0031917
2015-01-12 21:05	Footkerchief	Status	assigned => resolved
2015-01-12 21:05	Footkerchief	Resolution	open => no change required
2015-02-10 14:47	lethosor	Tag Detached: 40.23