0000145: Arena creature gender bias - Dwarf Fortress Bug Tracker

(0000202)
lvk (reporter)
2010-04-02 09:38
edited on: 2010-04-02 09:43

However, it DOES show up semi-correctly in the [r]eports page: "the amphibian woman Amphibian Man 1 is fighting!" and "the bat woman Bat Man 1 is fighting!"

Also, the reason for the odd behavior of the 'giant' and 'giantess' creatures is that the genders are swapped ('giant' is female, 'giantess' is male).

(0000210)
Dwarfu (manager)
2010-04-02 09:47

Related to 0000117, 0000106, 0000031.

(0002234)
JoRo (reporter)
2010-04-08 20:03

Wouldn't this just be because '(creature) man' is the name of the species?

(0002235)
Greyhawk (reporter)
2010-04-08 20:06

"Man" has been used to describe the entire human race. Such as "The Dawn of Man". Though not as commonly used in this day and age.

(0021924)
dree12 (reporter)
2012-03-30 17:59

This is an old issue, but just adding: what would be the best way of resolving this? For example, let's say I place an Amphibian Man and then an Amphibian Woman.

Currently, it is as so:
Amphibian Man 1 (man)
Amphibian Man 2 (woman)

There are two methods I can think of to change this:
Method 1: Separating by Caste
Amphibian Man 1 (man)
Amphibian Woman 1 (woman)

Method 2: Incremental
Amphibian Man 1 (man)
Amphibian Woman 2 (woman)

And of course, keeping as is. As such, I added the Intentional/Expected tag.

The summary should be changed from "gender bias" to "caste indifference, which can cause gender bias".

(0025910)
SirPenguin (reporter)
2014-07-11 19:44

Still in 40.0x

(0032678)
Detros (manager)
2015-05-13 11:17

Still in 0.40.24 vanilla Arena: spawning of creature "giantess" makes a giantess called "Giant 1", spawning of creature "aardvark woman" makes an aardvark woman called "Aardvark Man 1" so three years old report from dree12 still holds.

In contrary to original report, creature "giantess" spawns a female creature with "Her" used in descriptions.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-02 09:34	lvk	New Issue
2010-04-02 09:36	MNeis	Tag Attached: Arena Mode
2010-04-02 09:38	lvk	Note Added: 0000202
2010-04-02 09:39	Dwarfu	Tag Attached: Giantess
2010-04-02 09:43	lvk	Note Edited: 0000202	View Revisions
2010-04-02 09:47	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0000210
2010-04-08 20:03	JoRo	Note Added: 0002234
2010-04-08 20:06	Greyhawk	Note Added: 0002235
2010-04-29 13:24	Footkerchief	Category	General => Arena
2012-03-30 17:59	dree12	Note Added: 0021924
2012-03-30 17:59	dree12	Tag Attached: Intentional/Expected?
2012-03-31 15:11	dree12	Tag Detached: Intentional/Expected?
2012-03-31 15:11	dree12	Tag Attached: Possibly intended behaviour
2012-03-31 18:43	dree12	Issue Monitored: dree12
2014-07-11 19:44	SirPenguin	Note Added: 0025910
2014-07-27 05:30	lethosor	Tag Attached: Intentional/Expected?
2014-07-27 05:30	lethosor	Tag Detached: Possibly intended behaviour
2015-05-13 10:53	lethosor	Relationship added	related to 0000031
2015-05-13 10:53	lethosor	Relationship added	related to 0000106
2015-05-13 10:53	lethosor	Relationship added	related to 0000117
2015-05-13 10:54	lethosor	Assigned To	=> lethosor
2015-05-13 10:54	lethosor	Status	new => acknowledged
2015-05-13 11:17	Detros	Note Added: 0032678

Notes
(0000202) lvk (reporter) 2010-04-02 09:38 edited on: 2010-04-02 09:43	However, it DOES show up semi-correctly in the [r]eports page: "the amphibian woman Amphibian Man 1 is fighting!" and "the bat woman Bat Man 1 is fighting!" Also, the reason for the odd behavior of the 'giant' and 'giantess' creatures is that the genders are swapped ('giant' is female, 'giantess' is male).

(0000210) Dwarfu (manager) 2010-04-02 09:47	Related to 0000117, 0000106, 0000031.

(0002234) JoRo (reporter) 2010-04-08 20:03	Wouldn't this just be because '(creature) man' is the name of the species?

(0002235) Greyhawk (reporter) 2010-04-08 20:06	"Man" has been used to describe the entire human race. Such as "The Dawn of Man". Though not as commonly used in this day and age.

(0021924) dree12 (reporter) 2012-03-30 17:59	This is an old issue, but just adding: what would be the best way of resolving this? For example, let's say I place an Amphibian Man and then an Amphibian Woman. Currently, it is as so: Amphibian Man 1 (man) Amphibian Man 2 (woman) There are two methods I can think of to change this: Method 1: Separating by Caste Amphibian Man 1 (man) Amphibian Woman 1 (woman) Method 2: Incremental Amphibian Man 1 (man) Amphibian Woman 2 (woman) And of course, keeping as is. As such, I added the Intentional/Expected tag. The summary should be changed from "gender bias" to "caste indifference, which can cause gender bias".

(0025910) SirPenguin (reporter) 2014-07-11 19:44	Still in 40.0x

(0032678) Detros (manager) 2015-05-13 11:17	Still in 0.40.24 vanilla Arena: spawning of creature "giantess" makes a giantess called "Giant 1", spawning of creature "aardvark woman" makes an aardvark woman called "Aardvark Man 1" so three years old report from dree12 still holds. In contrary to original report, creature "giantess" spawns a female creature with "Her" used in descriptions.