0006571: Large influx of babies from multiple civilizations, eventually causes crash

(0024939)
Gentlefood (reporter)
2014-07-07 22:56

Just manually checked all visible locations of the embark. Cannot locate babies.

(0024943)
Rafal99 (reporter)
2014-07-07 23:20

Babies siege? :D

Actually maybe you embarked on top of underground tunnel or some underground site and the babies live there?

(0024945)
Gentlefood (reporter)
2014-07-07 23:24

Unlikely. This embark has been around for almost two years and the babies only appeared recently. Oddly enough after retiring and unretiring the babies 'disappeared' only to slowly return to the other tab.

(0024955)
AseaHeru (reporter)
2014-07-08 00:24

I can confirm, 15~ babies of various civs all on my site, not even midwinter of the first year.

(0025014)
Footkerchief (manager)
2014-07-08 06:49

Please upload a save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] and post the link here.

(0025059)
Gentlefood (reporter)
2014-07-08 09:21
edited on: 2014-07-08 10:52

Having difficulties uploading the save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] keep getting a server error when attempting to upload the file.

EDIT: Just got the upload to work. http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8759 [^]

(0025133)
sepehrnoor (reporter)
2014-07-08 13:02

Got the exact same issue here, but the babies appeared right after I was sieged by 2 (yes, only two) undead goblin swordsmen. Then a wave of 11+ babies appeared on my units screen, but nowhere to be found.

(0025194)
lethosor (manager)
2014-07-08 18:04
edited on: 2014-07-08 18:05

An interesting thing about that save is that there is one baby visible under the "citizens" tab. It can't be zoomed to either, but its relationships can be viewed, and neither of its parents exist in the fortress (that is, they're not listed at all). One suggested explanation is that these babies are born in the outside world (see http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=140075.0 [^]), although it doesn't explain why not all of them are listed under the "other" tab.

(0025212)
Gentlefood (reporter)
2014-07-08 19:11
edited on: 2014-07-08 19:27

They appear to seemingly randomly disappear off and then reappear onto the other units page. On occasion I'll see them in the citizens tab as well. The save was actually taken after I had retired and then unretired the fort to attempt to investigate the legends page. So they're all unloaded from the screen. If you run the fort for a season or perhaps shorter they'll begin to reappear.

(0025324)
peacemaker636 (reporter)
2014-07-09 09:19

I am getting this as well. At times I have close to 100, and it's giving me a serious FPS hit.

(0025376)
dglidden (reporter)
2014-07-09 13:37

Seeing the same thing here. The number is steadily climbing at a couple new ones every minute, and after about 45-50 of them, my FPS has dropped significantly and continues to go down with each new baby.

(0025873)
Dwarfu (manager)
2014-07-11 16:13

horsefeathers has this save from 0007090:
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8885 [^]

(0026008)
tier6tank (reporter)
2014-07-12 12:19

I've noticed the babies are of all races, and also begin to appear exactly 9 months after embark. Guessing these are babies born in the outside world getting incorrectly linked to the fort?

(0026011)
Saram-61-97-kon (reporter)
2014-07-12 12:25
edited on: 2014-07-12 12:30

Does anyone checked legend mode?

(0026021)
Gentlefood (reporter)
2014-07-12 13:57

I checked the legends page on my save, could not locate them as historical figures.

(0026036)
Saram-61-97-kon (reporter)
2014-07-12 15:37

Maybe they dont even exist and are only "virtual babies"

(0026055)
Toady One (administrator)
2014-07-12 16:59

I suspect they come from the births that happen around the world, and they've already caused the tab crash (fixed for next time). I'm hoping to also stop the babies entirely for next time, but first I have to see if my suspicion is borne out.

(0026057)
Toady One (administrator)
2014-07-12 17:05

Yeah, the mystery babies were the historical births of the world. All of them. They didn't get their location set, but they were "put into play", so they got on the unit list.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2014-07-07 22:52	Gentlefood	New Issue
2014-07-07 22:56	Gentlefood	Note Added: 0024939
2014-07-07 23:20	Rafal99	Note Added: 0024943
2014-07-07 23:24	Gentlefood	Note Added: 0024945
2014-07-07 23:55	Gentlefood	Tag Attached: baby
2014-07-07 23:57	Gentlefood	Tag Attached: friendly
2014-07-07 23:57	Gentlefood	Tag Attached: immigrants
2014-07-07 23:57	Gentlefood	Tag Attached: invader
2014-07-08 00:24	AseaHeru	Note Added: 0024955
2014-07-08 06:49	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0025014
2014-07-08 06:49	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2014-07-08 06:49	Footkerchief	Status	new => needs feedback
2014-07-08 08:59	lethosor	Relationship added	has duplicate 0006648
2014-07-08 09:21	Gentlefood	Note Added: 0025059
2014-07-08 09:21	Gentlefood	Status	needs feedback => assigned
2014-07-08 10:52	Gentlefood	Note Edited: 0025059	View Revisions
2014-07-08 12:58	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0006702
2014-07-08 13:02	sepehrnoor	Note Added: 0025133
2014-07-08 18:04	lethosor	Note Added: 0025194
2014-07-08 18:05	lethosor	Note Edited: 0025194	View Revisions
2014-07-08 19:11	Gentlefood	Note Added: 0025212
2014-07-08 19:27	Gentlefood	Note Edited: 0025212	View Revisions
2014-07-09 06:10	Knight Otu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0006813
2014-07-09 09:19	peacemaker636	Note Added: 0025324
2014-07-09 13:37	dglidden	Note Added: 0025376
2014-07-11 16:13	Dwarfu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0007090
2014-07-11 16:13	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0025873
2014-07-11 16:13	Dwarfu	Sticky Issue	No => Yes
2014-07-12 12:19	tier6tank	Note Added: 0026008
2014-07-12 12:25	Saram-61-97-kon	Note Added: 0026011
2014-07-12 12:30	Saram-61-97-kon	Note Edited: 0026011	View Revisions
2014-07-12 13:57	Gentlefood	Note Added: 0026021
2014-07-12 14:01	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0007153
2014-07-12 14:01	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: psudo36
2014-07-12 15:37	Saram-61-97-kon	Note Added: 0026036
2014-07-12 16:59	Toady One	Note Added: 0026055
2014-07-12 17:05	Toady One	Note Added: 0026057
2014-07-12 17:05	Toady One	Status	assigned => resolved
2014-07-12 17:05	Toady One	Fixed in Version	=> Next Version
2014-07-12 17:05	Toady One	Resolution	open => fixed
2014-07-12 17:05	Toady One	Assigned To	Footkerchief => Toady One
2014-07-12 17:15	Dwarfu	Sticky Issue	Yes => No
2014-07-13 00:28	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0007174
2014-07-13 12:59	Footkerchief	Relationship deleted	related to 0007174
2014-07-13 12:59	Footkerchief	Summary	Large influx of babies from multiple civilizations => Large influx of babies from multiple civilizations, eventually causes crash
2014-07-13 13:00	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0007199
2014-07-13 13:00	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0007218
2014-07-13 13:03	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0006807

Notes
(0024939) Gentlefood (reporter) 2014-07-07 22:56	Just manually checked all visible locations of the embark. Cannot locate babies.

(0024943) Rafal99 (reporter) 2014-07-07 23:20	Babies siege? :D Actually maybe you embarked on top of underground tunnel or some underground site and the babies live there?

(0024945) Gentlefood (reporter) 2014-07-07 23:24	Unlikely. This embark has been around for almost two years and the babies only appeared recently. Oddly enough after retiring and unretiring the babies 'disappeared' only to slowly return to the other tab.

(0024955) AseaHeru (reporter) 2014-07-08 00:24	I can confirm, 15~ babies of various civs all on my site, not even midwinter of the first year.

(0025014) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-07-08 06:49	Please upload a save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] and post the link here.

(0025059) Gentlefood (reporter) 2014-07-08 09:21 edited on: 2014-07-08 10:52	Having difficulties uploading the save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] keep getting a server error when attempting to upload the file. EDIT: Just got the upload to work. http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8759 [^]

(0025133) sepehrnoor (reporter) 2014-07-08 13:02	Got the exact same issue here, but the babies appeared right after I was sieged by 2 (yes, only two) undead goblin swordsmen. Then a wave of 11+ babies appeared on my units screen, but nowhere to be found.

(0025194) lethosor (manager) 2014-07-08 18:04 edited on: 2014-07-08 18:05	An interesting thing about that save is that there is one baby visible under the "citizens" tab. It can't be zoomed to either, but its relationships can be viewed, and neither of its parents exist in the fortress (that is, they're not listed at all). One suggested explanation is that these babies are born in the outside world (see http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=140075.0 [^]), although it doesn't explain why not all of them are listed under the "other" tab.

(0025212) Gentlefood (reporter) 2014-07-08 19:11 edited on: 2014-07-08 19:27	They appear to seemingly randomly disappear off and then reappear onto the other units page. On occasion I'll see them in the citizens tab as well. The save was actually taken after I had retired and then unretired the fort to attempt to investigate the legends page. So they're all unloaded from the screen. If you run the fort for a season or perhaps shorter they'll begin to reappear.

(0025324) peacemaker636 (reporter) 2014-07-09 09:19	I am getting this as well. At times I have close to 100, and it's giving me a serious FPS hit.

(0025376) dglidden (reporter) 2014-07-09 13:37	Seeing the same thing here. The number is steadily climbing at a couple new ones every minute, and after about 45-50 of them, my FPS has dropped significantly and continues to go down with each new baby.

(0025873) Dwarfu (manager) 2014-07-11 16:13	horsefeathers has this save from 0007090: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8885 [^]

(0026008) tier6tank (reporter) 2014-07-12 12:19	I've noticed the babies are of all races, and also begin to appear exactly 9 months after embark. Guessing these are babies born in the outside world getting incorrectly linked to the fort?

(0026011) Saram-61-97-kon (reporter) 2014-07-12 12:25 edited on: 2014-07-12 12:30	Does anyone checked legend mode?

(0026021) Gentlefood (reporter) 2014-07-12 13:57	I checked the legends page on my save, could not locate them as historical figures.

(0026036) Saram-61-97-kon (reporter) 2014-07-12 15:37	Maybe they dont even exist and are only "virtual babies"

(0026055) Toady One (administrator) 2014-07-12 16:59	I suspect they come from the births that happen around the world, and they've already caused the tab crash (fixed for next time). I'm hoping to also stop the babies entirely for next time, but first I have to see if my suspicion is borne out.

(0026057) Toady One (administrator) 2014-07-12 17:05	Yeah, the mystery babies were the historical births of the world. All of them. They didn't get their location set, but they were "put into play", so they got on the unit list.