0009134: Plump Helmet men cannot perform or pray due to inability to speak.

Notes
(0033225) Gentlefood (reporter) 2015-12-01 16:23	Additionally, this means social interaction need cannot be filled.

(0037345) chaosvolt (reporter) 2017-12-17 15:07	Also, how would they logically join a civ if they can't speak? In game terms I assume it merely considers CAN_LEARN without looking for CAN_SPEAK, but it does create a "wait, this seems a bit silly" thought to me.

(0037387) FantasticDorf (reporter) 2017-12-23 08:25	[LOCAL_POPS_CONTROLLABLE] & [LOCAL_POPS_PRODUCE_HEROES] is not a discriminatory tag in this respect to said creature being unable to speak. Social needs derived from speaking being inaccessible is also a separate issue related to inability to recognize the circumstances compared to other 'template' sentient needs. Experience with other creatures who can't speak in native populations (such as applying [USE_EVIL_ANIMALS] trolls on embark) shows that they can workship & sing when the AI is driving the activity. So more appropriately the issue report summary should be that the adventurer cannot, whilst the AI can. Removing both the local pops tags and removing their access from adventure mode would be a advisable short term modding solution.

(0037394) chaosvolt (reporter) 2017-12-24 15:45	Ah right. Those are the tags that do it. I'd say the easier solution is just allow plump helmet men to speak. No real reason not to. Then again, plump helmet men kinda suck, so I guess there's no reason not to remove the ability to let them join civs too...

(0040294) FantasticDorf (reporter) 2020-03-02 01:48	Still present in 47.03 (presumably 47.04), anecdotally being unable to converse they stand around much of the time inside the tavern with 'No Job' neither speaking to dwarves socialising around them but occasionally being served by the tavern keeper as much as they need alcohol not sharing rumors. I wouldnt know if they wanted a job or were just curious coming to relax/corrupt local dwarves for a purpose, but being unable to enunciate they seem harmless enough with no trouble from them, then they left of their own accord, being a bit useless to thier purpose neither learning anything, taking part in local activities or having it be known what they want.

(0040295) FantasticDorf (reporter) 2020-03-02 02:06	The female plump helmet hammerman 'Unbeh Crevicemen' is arriving in the background upon loading this bugged save for 47.03, if you navigate to 'other units' and follow them through to the tavern; observe for a bit, ignoring the moody dwarf or anything else going on. (( http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14871 [^] ))

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2015-12-01 16:21	Gentlefood	New Issue
2015-12-01 16:23	Gentlefood	Note Added: 0033225
2015-12-03 03:08	Knight Otu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0009183
2015-12-03 10:37	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2015-12-03 10:37	Footkerchief	Status	new => confirmed
2016-11-08 05:50	Loci	Relationship added	related to 0009517
2017-12-17 15:07	chaosvolt	Note Added: 0037345
2017-12-17 15:08	chaosvolt	Issue Monitored: chaosvolt
2017-12-23 08:25	FantasticDorf	Note Added: 0037387
2017-12-24 15:45	chaosvolt	Note Added: 0037394
2020-03-02 01:48	FantasticDorf	Note Added: 0040294
2020-03-02 02:06	FantasticDorf	Note Added: 0040295