0004311: Dwarf cancels Collect Hive Products: Job item lost or destroyed....x1116 and still rising...

Notes
(0016497) Quietust (reporter) 2011-03-23 11:31	Did you accidentally forbid the hive and/or its products?

(0016499) Dwarfu (manager) 2011-03-23 13:09	The products are available (the job zooms to the hive). Pathing appears ok. It looks as though all of your containers for gathering are already full. You are also making a lot of bins, but it seems everything is already hauled and not tasked, so they should be available. There is only an unglazed one, so maybe she is trying to use that. Forbidding and reclaiming all of them doesn't seem to help. It is impossible to tell which object she is trying to use because the job is instantly taken and canceled on a step '.' Only way I could get it to stop was to deconstruct that particular hive the job was using. I waited for another hive to become full of wax and jelly, but no job was generated until I made some more jugs (wooden). The job was generated and taken and completed. Something got confused with the jugs. There is rock nut oil in a couple of them, perhaps the jobs both tagged the same jug for use.

(0016517) hyperactiveChipmunk (reporter) 2011-03-24 10:02	So perhaps the presence of the oil in the jugs is not preventing the job from being created/assigned, but is preventing it from being carried out? Thanks for the insights. I deconstructed the hive to silence it, too, but now that there seems to be some sense behind the madness, I'll be able to make some attempts to reproduce the behavior. I was completely at a loss for an explanation, originally.

(0028537) Toady One (administrator) 2014-08-07 13:23	I tried this under a few circumstances and couldn't get it to happen. We'll see what the status is in 0.40.07 now that beekeeping should be a little more workable in general.

(0030326) UristErrant86 (reporter) 2014-09-22 20:11	I've had this same issue in 40.12 and am uploading a save to the file depot labeled with the issue number.

(0030330) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-09-23 12:16	UristErrant86, it's easier if you post the link here like so: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9774 [^]

(0030403) UristErrant86 (reporter) 2014-09-27 11:18	Thanks, Footkerchief, I'll remember that in the future. I just wanted to mention that I've discovered that it's possible to identify the hive that is generating the spam by using (t) to look into the hives until you find one containing a jug. Somehow, the jug appears to get "stuck" in the hive, preventing collection. Deconstruction of that hive stops the spam.

(0041356) Laureeeeeeeeeeeeeeen (reporter) 2022-12-15 10:19	Same issue on the Steam version. Used T to identify the problem hive as per UristErrant86's advice, though it did not have a jug stuck in it. I simply disallowed collecting products from that hive, I have many hives so it isn't an issue.

(0041379) eGrawlix (reporter) 2024-01-15 12:39	Same issue on the current (Jan 2024) Steam version. I can't identify any hive with any jugs stuck in it. I do have plenty of empty jugs ready for use that are not being used for the job. I did however find a note on the wiki ( https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Royal_jelly#Bugs [^] ) that led me to find I have several jugs filled with honey and/or royal jelly that are sitting in my finished goods bins. Could honey/jelly jugs placed into finished goods bins instead of food piles perhaps be a source of this bug? My beekeepers were working correctly up until a trade caravan arrived (I think. It may just be coincidental timing of course). When it arrived I know I moved all my finished goods bins to the trade depot. The wiki ( https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Honey [^] ) suggests moving finished goods bins containing honey jugs may disrupt jobs. The bins were moved back to the finished goods pile several in-game months ago, but the beekeeping cancellation spam continues and the hives remain untended. Could honey/jelly jugs moved around while contained in finished goods bins perhaps be a source of this bug? I hope these ideas may provide some hints about how to reproduce this bug if nothing else.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2011-03-23 10:53	hyperactiveChipmunk	New Issue
2011-03-23 11:31	Quietust	Note Added: 0016497
2011-03-23 13:09	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0016499
2011-03-23 13:11	Dwarfu	Relationship added	related to 0004191
2011-03-24 10:02	hyperactiveChipmunk	Note Added: 0016517
2011-04-05 07:36	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0003981
2011-04-05 07:36	Footkerchief	Relationship deleted	related to 0004191
2011-04-05 07:37	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	child of 0003981
2014-08-07 13:23	Toady One	Note Added: 0028537
2014-08-07 13:23	Toady One	Assigned To	=> Toady One
2014-08-07 13:23	Toady One	Status	new => needs feedback
2014-08-07 13:24	Toady One	Relationship replaced	related to 0003981
2014-09-22 20:11	UristErrant86	Note Added: 0030326
2014-09-23 12:16	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0030330
2014-09-23 12:19	Footkerchief	Status	needs feedback => confirmed
2014-09-27 11:18	UristErrant86	Note Added: 0030403
2022-12-15 10:19	Laureeeeeeeeeeeeeeen	Note Added: 0041356
2024-01-15 12:39	eGrawlix	Note Added: 0041379