0004164: In mountain biome, clay cannot be farmed, and grass does not regrow

(0015951)
Quietust (reporter)
2011-03-08 06:50

Does irrigation help with the farming part?

(0015999)
greycat (reporter)
2011-03-09 08:20

All right... the clay is above ground, albeit currently roofed over. So I guess the easiest way to get water on it is to build a staircase to nowhere, then designate ponds next to the staircase.

Did that, and the water hit the clay and froze (it's currently a bit chilly here). This gave me tiles that appear as "Muddy Ice / A dusting of mud / Inside Light Above Ground". One of the ponds got filled twice, and the resulting tile appeared as "Ice Wall / Inside Light Above Ground". I turned off the ponds at that point.

On one of the "Muddy Ice" tiles, I build a 1x1 farm plot. The result is "No seeds available for this location". Maybe when the ice melts something will change...?

(0016013)
greycat (reporter)
2011-03-09 12:50

Well, no surprises here. Come summer and the thawing of the ice, I had a bunch of water on the clay (the ice wall actually produced more water than went into it, I'm fairly sure).

The existing 1x1 plot, newly moistened, still shows "No seeds...".

I built a new 1x1 plot on another wet tile, and it also gave me "No seeds...".

It's quite possible that this clay is in a "mountain biome", if that matters.

(0016014)
Quietust (reporter)
2011-03-09 12:54

If it's in a mountain biome, then it's perfectly normal - no surface plants are capable of growing in a mountain biome. Was the clay revealed by channeling through the surface or by just clearing away the grass (e.g. by building a dirt road)?

(0016017)
greycat (reporter)
2011-03-09 14:11
edited on: 2011-03-09 14:12

It was revealed by having the grass eaten off it by grazing animals. So maybe the bug is "clay in a mountain biome starts with grass on it"? And/or "farm plots can be built in biomes where you'll never be able to plant them"?

(0016018)
Knight Otu (manager)
2011-03-09 14:28

Well, there is mountain grass, so it should regrow when grazed. Maybe a test in a non-mountain biome should be conducted.

(0016019)
Quietust (reporter)
2011-03-09 14:38
edited on: 2011-03-09 14:39

Perhaps there should be a new soil type for mountains (either hardcoded or having some special token in the raws) which is incapable of supporting any plant life other than grass (and which would be treated like stone for the purposes of trying to place farm plots).

(0016023)
greycat (reporter)
2011-03-09 16:03

If I can figure out exactly where the line between my biomes is, and if I can find some clay on the north side of that line (the side where shrubs and trees and farm plots and grass regrowth all seem to work -- although I'm only sure I've done so on sand, not clay), then I'll see about testing there.

(0016234)
greycat (reporter)
2011-03-14 06:09

Far as I can tell, that map doesn't have any clay in the non-mountain biome; it's sand there. So I can't conduct any tests on clay in non-mountain biomes there.

The lack of regrowth after grazing does seem like a real bug, though, given that the raws specify certain kinds of grass are supposed to exist in mountain biomes.

(0017020)
Cromage (reporter)
2011-04-03 13:01

Having this problem too, with grass not growing back in mountain areas after grazing. Happens both with sandy clay and regular sand.

(0017481)
Kogut (reporter)
2011-04-23 04:12

correct description is "clay in a mountain biome starts with grass on it"

(0018248)
theothersteve7 (reporter)
2011-07-15 07:46

I agree with Kogust on this. It seems mountain biomes don't support vegetation but start out covered in grass anyway.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2011-03-08 06:07	greycat	New Issue
2011-03-08 06:50	Quietust	Note Added: 0015951
2011-03-09 08:20	greycat	Note Added: 0015999
2011-03-09 12:50	greycat	Note Added: 0016013
2011-03-09 12:54	Quietust	Note Added: 0016014
2011-03-09 14:11	greycat	Note Added: 0016017
2011-03-09 14:12	greycat	Note Edited: 0016017	View Revisions
2011-03-09 14:28	Knight Otu	Note Added: 0016018
2011-03-09 14:38	Quietust	Note Added: 0016019
2011-03-09 14:39	Quietust	Note Edited: 0016019	View Revisions
2011-03-09 16:03	greycat	Note Added: 0016023
2011-03-14 06:09	greycat	Note Added: 0016234
2011-03-15 10:58	Footkerchief	Summary	Clay cannot be farmed, and grass does not regrow => In mountain biome, clay cannot be farmed, and grass does not regrow
2011-03-15 10:58	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0004231
2011-03-15 11:10	xrogaan	Issue Monitored: xrogaan
2011-03-15 14:37	AO	Tag Attached: biome
2011-03-15 14:37	AO	Tag Attached: farming
2011-03-15 14:37	AO	Tag Attached: grass
2011-03-15 14:37	AO	Issue Monitored: AO
2011-04-03 13:01	Cromage	Note Added: 0017020
2011-04-23 04:12	Kogut	Note Added: 0017481
2011-07-15 07:46	theothersteve7	Note Added: 0018248
2011-09-06 16:25	Dwarfu	Relationship added	parent of 0004881
2012-06-14 13:39	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0006013
2014-08-13 13:33	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	has duplicate 0004881
2014-08-13 13:34	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2014-08-13 13:34	Footkerchief	Status	new => confirmed
2015-04-10 06:43	Knight Otu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0008910
2018-04-25 09:58	Huntthetroll	Issue Monitored: Huntthetroll

Notes
(0015951) Quietust (reporter) 2011-03-08 06:50	Does irrigation help with the farming part?

(0015999) greycat (reporter) 2011-03-09 08:20	All right... the clay is above ground, albeit currently roofed over. So I guess the easiest way to get water on it is to build a staircase to nowhere, then designate ponds next to the staircase. Did that, and the water hit the clay and froze (it's currently a bit chilly here). This gave me tiles that appear as "Muddy Ice / A dusting of mud / Inside Light Above Ground". One of the ponds got filled twice, and the resulting tile appeared as "Ice Wall / Inside Light Above Ground". I turned off the ponds at that point. On one of the "Muddy Ice" tiles, I build a 1x1 farm plot. The result is "No seeds available for this location". Maybe when the ice melts something will change...?

(0016013) greycat (reporter) 2011-03-09 12:50	Well, no surprises here. Come summer and the thawing of the ice, I had a bunch of water on the clay (the ice wall actually produced more water than went into it, I'm fairly sure). The existing 1x1 plot, newly moistened, still shows "No seeds...". I built a new 1x1 plot on another wet tile, and it also gave me "No seeds...". It's quite possible that this clay is in a "mountain biome", if that matters.

(0016014) Quietust (reporter) 2011-03-09 12:54	If it's in a mountain biome, then it's perfectly normal - no surface plants are capable of growing in a mountain biome. Was the clay revealed by channeling through the surface or by just clearing away the grass (e.g. by building a dirt road)?

(0016017) greycat (reporter) 2011-03-09 14:11 edited on: 2011-03-09 14:12	It was revealed by having the grass eaten off it by grazing animals. So maybe the bug is "clay in a mountain biome starts with grass on it"? And/or "farm plots can be built in biomes where you'll never be able to plant them"?

(0016018) Knight Otu (manager) 2011-03-09 14:28	Well, there is mountain grass, so it should regrow when grazed. Maybe a test in a non-mountain biome should be conducted.

(0016019) Quietust (reporter) 2011-03-09 14:38 edited on: 2011-03-09 14:39	Perhaps there should be a new soil type for mountains (either hardcoded or having some special token in the raws) which is incapable of supporting any plant life other than grass (and which would be treated like stone for the purposes of trying to place farm plots).

(0016023) greycat (reporter) 2011-03-09 16:03	If I can figure out exactly where the line between my biomes is, and if I can find some clay on the north side of that line (the side where shrubs and trees and farm plots and grass regrowth all seem to work -- although I'm only sure I've done so on sand, not clay), then I'll see about testing there.

(0016234) greycat (reporter) 2011-03-14 06:09	Far as I can tell, that map doesn't have any clay in the non-mountain biome; it's sand there. So I can't conduct any tests on clay in non-mountain biomes there. The lack of regrowth after grazing does seem like a real bug, though, given that the raws specify certain kinds of grass are supposed to exist in mountain biomes.

(0017020) Cromage (reporter) 2011-04-03 13:01	Having this problem too, with grass not growing back in mountain areas after grazing. Happens both with sandy clay and regular sand.

(0017481) Kogut (reporter) 2011-04-23 04:12	correct description is "clay in a mountain biome starts with grass on it"

(0018248) theothersteve7 (reporter) 2011-07-15 07:46	I agree with Kogust on this. It seems mountain biomes don't support vegetation but start out covered in grass anyway.