0007680: Dwarves continually accumulate larger and larger numbers of tattered owned clothing items

Notes
(0027746) hyndis (reporter) 2014-07-28 01:06 edited on: 2014-07-28 01:07	A bit of math on how quickly the number of owned items can increase: A dwarf will prefer to wear as many clothing items as possible, if available. As an example of my current book keeper: 2 pig tail fiber socks 2 giant cave spider silk gloves 1 pig tail fiber dress 2 groundhog leather shoes 1 wolverine leather cap 1 pig tail fiber trousers 1 giant cave spider silk coat 1 mule leather hood 2 giant cave spider silk mittens 1 cave spider silk cloak This is 14 items of clothing. As my book keeper likes new clothes, she will obtain a new item of clothing of each piece roughly once a year. This means that every year she will obtain 14 new items. This particular fortress is 2 years old. She has a total of 28 owned items. If this fortress continues on for longer, say, 20 years, this single dwarf would have 280 owned items. If I have 200 dwarves in my fortress (I like big fortresses) and each has the same access to clothing, this works out to an extra 56,000 items stored in the fortress. This may contribute to framerate loss as fortresses age. It certainly causes a great deal of clutter in bedrooms. Cabinets can't hold infinite clothing.

(0027754) Loci (manager) 2014-07-28 05:01	Alternate suggestion: destroy damaged clothing (silently remove from game) once the dwarf collects a replacement item. At some point in the future, particularly ostentatious dwarves may acquire and own multiple items (say, cloaks) at a time. When switching one cloak for another, the previous item would be preserved (and stored in their cabinet) if it remained undamaged, or destroyed if it had become worn.

(0027758) cephalo (reporter) 2014-07-28 07:14	This issue has been around since before 40d. DFHack has some nice scripts to clean all this junk out, which becomes pretty important in a long running fort.

(0029001) hyndis (reporter) 2014-08-13 17:01	Is there any thought to allowing dwarves to send damaged but owned items for repair so they're new and in good condition again? This same process might also allow for the repair of other damaged items. Or simply revoke ownership if an item lays around on the floor for too long, regardless of where the floor tile is. If a dwarf lets something sit on the floor for months, years, or even decades, never touching the item, they probably aren't very attached to the item. This seems like this may be one of those low hanging fruit issues.

(0029011) Peeps (reporter) 2014-08-13 23:19	On the subject of dwarves wearing as many articles of clothing as possible, it would be nice if certain types of clothing could be forbidden from use by the normal populace in favor of the militia. Making cloaks to supplement my militia's armor results in the civilian dwarves stealing them as fast as they can be made, and by the time every civilian in the fortress has as many cloaks as he can wear the first ones taken have started to wear out and they begin stealing more to replace them. After five years or so of this I've hit the population cap and several of my militiadwarves still don't have a full equipment set.

(0029017) greycat (reporter) 2014-08-14 06:44	The standard workaround is NOT to give your dwarves a cabinet in their rooms. Without a cabinet, the accumulation of old clothing is limited to 1 article per empty floor tile. Any more than that will never get moved to the dwarf's room, so eventually its ownership expires and you can atom-smash it, magma-dump it, trade it to elves, etc. If all the tiles of the dwarf's room are covered in non-cabinet furniture (restraints, statues, chests, weapon traps, levers...) then you can essentially cut the storage of old clothing to zero, at least for the non-nobles.

(0029022) hyndis (reporter) 2014-08-14 09:26 edited on: 2014-08-14 09:28	> The standard workaround is NOT to give your dwarves a cabinet in their rooms. Without a cabinet, the accumulation of old clothing is limited to 1 article per empty floor tile. This is not the case. I've seen dwarves pile clothes up many items deep, so the point they're wading through tattered socks piled hip deep in their rooms. There appears to be no upper limit with the amount of clothing a dwarf can accumulate. If you really want to see the clutter, assign a small bedroom to a married couple. Twice the dwarf, twice the accumulation of owned items, and all in a small bedroom, such as in a 3x3 bedroom. Many items will be scattered around per tile. Items will of course be stored in cabinets first, but as soon as the cabinets are full things are going to be continually piled on to the floor in deeper and deeper piles. There appears to be no upper limit to this. I've personally seen dwarves with 200-300+ owned items in a tiny bedroom. Fortunately, DFHack allows cleaning up of these items via revoking ownership. But it would be nice if clutter would take care of itself without needing to use DFHack. Just some method of automatically revoking ownership is all that is needed. I suggest any item laying on any floor tile for too long loses ownership. This means items in cabinets can be owned, but once cabinets are stuffed full and it ends up on the floor, those extra items have ownership revoked after laying on the floor for a while. AFAIK, ownership revocation of owned items on floors of non-owned rooms is done at the season change. This is plenty of time for even the laziest dwarf to clean up his dirty laundry. And an un-owned item isn't destroyed, its just hauled back to a stockpile. Another dwarf or the same dwarf can claim this item once its gone back to a stockpile. Additional update: I have not tested this in 40.08, so I cannot personally confirm if this still occurs in 40.08, but it most definitely did occur in 0.40.05 as well as in 0.34.XX and 0.31.XX. Behavior of this bug has not changed in many, many revisions of the game.

(0031351) Larix2 (reporter) 2014-12-18 05:25 edited on: 2014-12-18 05:36	A few observations: clothing takes just under _two_ years to gain one level of wear. The first fresh clothes rush happens in autumn/winter of the second year, when the starting seven decide to exchange their gear for the first time. The average clothing exchange rate is seven items of clothing per dwarf per year. The "store owned item" job will only spawn when a dwarf still has storage room in an owned place. That requires either a cabinet with remaining capacity or empty floor tiles. Dwarfs will not drag owned items from the dining hall to their room if all floor is covered and all cabinets full. Multiple-items-high clothes stacks can occur when a dwarf decides to pick up new stuff (shedding all old clothes instantly) while in their room - such stacks aren't normally re-distributed, since they're already in an owned room. As others observed, ownership over possessions in owned areas never expires, which is somewhat unproductive where worn-out socks are concerned. Both items not stored in an owned area and forbidden items (even if the latter sit in the dwarf's cabinet) will have their ownership cleared after about two weeks. I haven't run my forts' clothing reserves far down enough to check, but i think dwarfs would actually claim, pick up and equip xclothesx or even XclothesX if there was a severe lack of intact wearables. Worn clothes aren't really refuse, although dwarfs wearing such gear will always be on the lookout for fresher threads. FWIW, the bug is still going strong in .40.18.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2014-07-28 00:56	hyndis	New Issue
2014-07-28 01:00	hyndis	Issue Monitored: hyndis
2014-07-28 01:06	hyndis	Note Added: 0027746
2014-07-28 01:07	hyndis	Note Edited: 0027746	View Revisions
2014-07-28 02:28	Knight Otu	Relationship added	child of 0006185
2014-07-28 02:30	Knight Otu	Relationship added	child of 0004403
2014-07-28 05:01	Loci	Note Added: 0027754
2014-07-28 07:14	cephalo	Note Added: 0027758
2014-07-28 07:48	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0002481
2014-08-13 17:01	hyndis	Note Added: 0029001
2014-08-13 18:20	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2014-08-13 18:20	Footkerchief	Status	new => confirmed
2014-08-13 23:19	Peeps	Note Added: 0029011
2014-08-14 05:16	Steb	Issue Monitored: Steb
2014-08-14 06:44	greycat	Note Added: 0029017
2014-08-14 09:26	hyndis	Note Added: 0029022
2014-08-14 09:28	hyndis	Note Edited: 0029022	View Revisions
2014-08-14 09:28	hyndis	Note Edited: 0029022	View Revisions
2014-12-18 05:25	Larix2	Note Added: 0031351
2014-12-18 05:36	Larix2	Note Edited: 0031351	View Revisions
2018-04-12 20:51	Huntthetroll	Issue Monitored: Huntthetroll