0003169: Bone carvers suffer art defacement when somebody leaves the map with stuck-in masterpiece bolts

(0012479)
Quietust (reporter)
2010-09-07 08:44

Are you actually getting "masterpiece lost" messages?

My fortress's marksdwarves have used up thousands of masterwork bone bolts in target practice, and my bone carvers are all ecstatic.

(0012498)
watcher (reporter)
2010-09-08 04:38

Yes I am!

I've taken to forbidding the offending stacks of masterwork bolts.

(0012500)
Cryten (reporter)
2010-09-08 05:29

The talk used to be that it was the number of masterworks that the crafter has that affects how disturbed he gets for art defamation. I don't know if things have changed since then though. Also I'm curious if this is target practice or live fire? Perhaps they wont be annoyed if you use them for killing things.

(0012502)
snow (reporter)
2010-09-08 05:57

What did you shoot bolts at?
Maybe they're getting annoyed if you shoot things that run off map... with bolts stuck in.

(0012503)
kwieland (reporter)
2010-09-08 06:39

My experience is the same as Quietust. I make thousands of masterwork bolts and have never had "masterpiece lost" message. Unless I destroy them in an atom smasher or something. Or melt them. They don't like it when you melt them (the metal ones, that is).

(0013224)
Logical2u (manager)
2010-10-06 10:34

Modified the title so it's more useful for searchers.

(0013225)
EddyP (reporter)
2010-10-06 10:36
edited on: 2010-10-06 10:51

I don't get the 'masterpiece lost' message, but my bonecarver got unhappy thoughts from 'art defacement' when my marksdwarf shot at some invaders. Bolts are all he's made.

EDIT: Looking closer, I found the MP lost message.

(0013243)
Malibu Stacey (reporter)
2010-10-07 11:22

This doesn't affect wooden bolts. One of my embark dwarves became a Legenday Woodcrafter from a Fey mood in which she created a wooden harp. She's now churning out stacks of wooden bolts for my marksdwarves, most of which are masterwork & doesn't have any mention of art defacement in her info nor any masterwork lost announcements when they use them for training.

Looks like another artifact of the new materials system & probably related to the bug where bone artifacts don't use any materials beyond the base material no matter how many extra materials the dwarf collects.

(0016528)
Xelsol (reporter)
2011-03-24 15:49

I just had the same problem. My hunter was shooting some masterwork yak bone bolts at a mountain goat, a few got lodged into it, the goats were replaced with groundhogs at the end of the month before the one in question died (and thus vanished), taking my masterwork bolts with him.

I do not believe this is a "minor" issue. It will lead to this fort's demise due to a tantrum spiral (he lost 3 masterpieces in the blink of an eye).

(0016540)
Quietust (reporter)
2011-03-24 18:46

Xelsol: the unhappiness caused by masterpiece destruction is inversely proportional to the number of masterpieces that have been created by the dwarf in question - if a dwarf's first and only masterpiece is destroyed, he'll go insane with grief, but if he's produced thousands of masterpieces and just one of them is destroyed, he won't mind much.

(0016866)
jcnorris (reporter)
2011-03-31 12:01

My legendary woodcrafter is now very unhappy about art defacement. After becoming legendary due to a fey mood, he made several stacks of bolts, and nothing else. There was a MP lost announcement.

(0017477)
Kogut (reporter)
2011-04-23 03:47

still in .25

(0018502)
Telarin (reporter)
2011-08-13 14:44

This also applies to metalworkers and metal bolts. My archers have been filling up the local demon population with steel bolts. Unfortunately, a side effect of this is that some of the bolts are destroyed when they miss and sink to the bottom of the magma sea. I then invariably get the "A masterwork of Urist McMoodydwarf has been lost!" and Urist McMoodydwarf suffers the travesty of art defacement.

(0019257)
San (reporter)
2011-12-25 22:18

Does anyone know a good workaround? Obviously you can take this into account ahead of time, but will having the dwarf produce more masterpieces after the fact help any?

(0019260)
kwieland (reporter)
2011-12-27 06:55
edited on: 2011-12-27 06:56

After the fact, probably not. However, churning out tons of masterpiece bolts will lessen the effect until it is less than "annoyed by the sun", ie, (new york accent) forgetta bout it.

(0022271)
tatterdemalian (reporter)
2012-04-15 07:39

Still in v34.07. It's really frustrating that I have to forbid every stack of steel masterwork bolts my weaponsmiths grind out, because not only do they churn them out by the ton, but they also freak out just as much if one of three hundred masterwork bolts are fired and broken as they do when one of their first 25 is. My legendary weaponcrafter went from "ecstatic" to "miserable and tantruming" in a single ambush, from the breaking (not theft) of 8 masterwork steel bolts.

(0022650)
garanis (reporter)
2012-05-21 13:24

This is a big deal. My best miner and part-time weaponsmith just beat my mayor/baron to death in a tantrum because a goat left with a masterwork iron bolt stuck in it's side.

(0031701)
ptb_ptb (reporter)
2015-01-05 09:17

The emotion system has been completely re-done since this bug was reported. Is anybody experiencing real stress problems based on bolt loss in DF 0.40.whatever?

(0037672)
Sarmatian123 (reporter)
2018-01-19 03:35

DF 0.44.05, vanilla client. 110 population limit.

"A masterwork of Kogan Tiristzas has been lost!"

"[white]She feels [yellow:]empty[/yellow] after suffering travesty of art defacement[/white]"

This Dwarf is my WOODCRAFTER-16, who made tones of wooden hunting bolts. After clicking I get zoomed to edge of the map. I notice 5 hunters there. One of them carrying dead kakapo. I check reports and I am seeing the hunt of kakapo took place by the map edge. Like 2-5 spaces away from the place the "master work has been lost" is zoomed to. Report mentions repeat hits by master quality *oaken bolt*. Like 10 at least.

I have save. Would you like me to upload it?

My guess is a hunter shot one of those master quality bolts outside of map...

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-09-07 08:34	watcher	New Issue
2010-09-07 08:44	Quietust	Note Added: 0012479
2010-09-07 09:04	Hieronymous Alloy	Issue Monitored: Hieronymous Alloy
2010-09-07 09:04	Hieronymous Alloy	Issue End Monitor: Hieronymous Alloy
2010-09-08 04:38	watcher	Note Added: 0012498
2010-09-08 05:29	Cryten	Note Added: 0012500
2010-09-08 05:57	snow	Note Added: 0012502
2010-09-08 06:39	kwieland	Note Added: 0012503
2010-10-06 10:33	Logical2u	Relationship added	has duplicate 0003376
2010-10-06 10:34	Logical2u	Note Added: 0013224
2010-10-06 10:34	Logical2u	Summary	masterpiece bone bolts => Bone carvers suffer art defacement when masterpiece bolts are used
2010-10-06 10:36	EddyP	Note Added: 0013225
2010-10-06 10:51	EddyP	Note Edited: 0013225	View Revisions
2010-10-06 12:31	Hieronymous Alloy	Issue Monitored: Hieronymous Alloy
2010-10-07 11:22	Malibu Stacey	Note Added: 0013243
2011-03-24 15:49	Xelsol	Note Added: 0016528
2011-03-24 16:55	Footkerchief	Summary	Bone carvers suffer art defacement when masterpiece bolts are used => Bone carvers suffer art defacement when somebody leaves the map with stuck-in masterpiece bolts
2011-03-24 18:37	Xelsol	Issue Monitored: Xelsol
2011-03-24 18:46	Quietust	Note Added: 0016540
2011-03-31 12:01	jcnorris	Note Added: 0016866
2011-04-23 03:47	Kogut	Note Added: 0017477
2011-08-13 14:44	Telarin	Note Added: 0018502
2011-12-25 22:18	San	Note Added: 0019257
2011-12-26 09:58	Kogut	Issue Monitored: Kogut
2011-12-27 06:55	kwieland	Note Added: 0019260
2011-12-27 06:56	kwieland	Note Edited: 0019260	View Revisions
2012-01-12 22:22	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0005021
2012-02-26 11:51	Buglist	Issue Monitored: Buglist
2012-04-15 07:39	tatterdemalian	Note Added: 0022271
2012-05-21 13:24	garanis	Note Added: 0022650
2012-06-24 22:18	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0006053
2015-01-05 09:17	ptb_ptb	Note Added: 0031701
2015-01-05 15:00	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2015-01-05 15:00	Footkerchief	Status	new => needs feedback
2018-01-19 03:35	Sarmatian123	Note Added: 0037672
2018-01-19 03:37	Sarmatian123	Issue Monitored: Sarmatian123
2018-04-25 16:46	Huntthetroll	Issue Monitored: Huntthetroll
2019-01-04 23:05	Sarmatian123	Issue End Monitor: Sarmatian123

Notes
(0012479) Quietust (reporter) 2010-09-07 08:44	Are you actually getting "masterpiece lost" messages? My fortress's marksdwarves have used up thousands of masterwork bone bolts in target practice, and my bone carvers are all ecstatic.

(0012498) watcher (reporter) 2010-09-08 04:38	Yes I am! I've taken to forbidding the offending stacks of masterwork bolts.

(0012500) Cryten (reporter) 2010-09-08 05:29	The talk used to be that it was the number of masterworks that the crafter has that affects how disturbed he gets for art defamation. I don't know if things have changed since then though. Also I'm curious if this is target practice or live fire? Perhaps they wont be annoyed if you use them for killing things.

(0012502) snow (reporter) 2010-09-08 05:57	What did you shoot bolts at? Maybe they're getting annoyed if you shoot things that run off map... with bolts stuck in.

(0012503) kwieland (reporter) 2010-09-08 06:39	My experience is the same as Quietust. I make thousands of masterwork bolts and have never had "masterpiece lost" message. Unless I destroy them in an atom smasher or something. Or melt them. They don't like it when you melt them (the metal ones, that is).

(0013224) Logical2u (manager) 2010-10-06 10:34	Modified the title so it's more useful for searchers.

(0013225) EddyP (reporter) 2010-10-06 10:36 edited on: 2010-10-06 10:51	I don't get the 'masterpiece lost' message, but my bonecarver got unhappy thoughts from 'art defacement' when my marksdwarf shot at some invaders. Bolts are all he's made. EDIT: Looking closer, I found the MP lost message.

(0013243) Malibu Stacey (reporter) 2010-10-07 11:22	This doesn't affect wooden bolts. One of my embark dwarves became a Legenday Woodcrafter from a Fey mood in which she created a wooden harp. She's now churning out stacks of wooden bolts for my marksdwarves, most of which are masterwork & doesn't have any mention of art defacement in her info nor any masterwork lost announcements when they use them for training. Looks like another artifact of the new materials system & probably related to the bug where bone artifacts don't use any materials beyond the base material no matter how many extra materials the dwarf collects.

(0016528) Xelsol (reporter) 2011-03-24 15:49	I just had the same problem. My hunter was shooting some masterwork yak bone bolts at a mountain goat, a few got lodged into it, the goats were replaced with groundhogs at the end of the month before the one in question died (and thus vanished), taking my masterwork bolts with him. I do not believe this is a "minor" issue. It will lead to this fort's demise due to a tantrum spiral (he lost 3 masterpieces in the blink of an eye).

(0016540) Quietust (reporter) 2011-03-24 18:46	Xelsol: the unhappiness caused by masterpiece destruction is inversely proportional to the number of masterpieces that have been created by the dwarf in question - if a dwarf's first and only masterpiece is destroyed, he'll go insane with grief, but if he's produced thousands of masterpieces and just one of them is destroyed, he won't mind much.

(0016866) jcnorris (reporter) 2011-03-31 12:01	My legendary woodcrafter is now very unhappy about art defacement. After becoming legendary due to a fey mood, he made several stacks of bolts, and nothing else. There was a MP lost announcement.

(0017477) Kogut (reporter) 2011-04-23 03:47	still in .25

(0018502) Telarin (reporter) 2011-08-13 14:44	This also applies to metalworkers and metal bolts. My archers have been filling up the local demon population with steel bolts. Unfortunately, a side effect of this is that some of the bolts are destroyed when they miss and sink to the bottom of the magma sea. I then invariably get the "A masterwork of Urist McMoodydwarf has been lost!" and Urist McMoodydwarf suffers the travesty of art defacement.

(0019257) San (reporter) 2011-12-25 22:18	Does anyone know a good workaround? Obviously you can take this into account ahead of time, but will having the dwarf produce more masterpieces after the fact help any?

(0019260) kwieland (reporter) 2011-12-27 06:55 edited on: 2011-12-27 06:56	After the fact, probably not. However, churning out tons of masterpiece bolts will lessen the effect until it is less than "annoyed by the sun", ie, (new york accent) forgetta bout it.

(0022271) tatterdemalian (reporter) 2012-04-15 07:39	Still in v34.07. It's really frustrating that I have to forbid every stack of steel masterwork bolts my weaponsmiths grind out, because not only do they churn them out by the ton, but they also freak out just as much if one of three hundred masterwork bolts are fired and broken as they do when one of their first 25 is. My legendary weaponcrafter went from "ecstatic" to "miserable and tantruming" in a single ambush, from the breaking (not theft) of 8 masterwork steel bolts.

(0022650) garanis (reporter) 2012-05-21 13:24	This is a big deal. My best miner and part-time weaponsmith just beat my mayor/baron to death in a tantrum because a goat left with a masterwork iron bolt stuck in it's side.

(0031701) ptb_ptb (reporter) 2015-01-05 09:17	The emotion system has been completely re-done since this bug was reported. Is anybody experiencing real stress problems based on bolt loss in DF 0.40.whatever?

(0037672) Sarmatian123 (reporter) 2018-01-19 03:35	DF 0.44.05, vanilla client. 110 population limit. "A masterwork of Kogan Tiristzas has been lost!" "[white]She feels [yellow:]empty[/yellow] after suffering travesty of art defacement[/white]" This Dwarf is my WOODCRAFTER-16, who made tones of wooden hunting bolts. After clicking I get zoomed to edge of the map. I notice 5 hunters there. One of them carrying dead kakapo. I check reports and I am seeing the hunt of kakapo took place by the map edge. Like 2-5 spaces away from the place the "master work has been lost" is zoomed to. Report mentions repeat hits by master quality oaken bolt. Like 10 at least. I have save. Would you like me to upload it? My guess is a hunter shot one of those master quality bolts outside of map...